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Miami PD suspends white officer who begins identifying as ‘black’

Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:12 am
Posted by stout
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A controversial Miami cop was suspended with pay after he argued at a Miami City Commission meeting last week that he identifies as a black male, despite his Caucasian complexion.

“We can confirm that Captain J. Ortiz has been relieved of duty with pay,” city spokesperson Michael Vega wrote in an email to the Miami New Times.

Vega would not divulge why he benched the former chief of the local Fraternal Order of Police, but Ortiz’s recent public comments to the commission, coupled with a lengthy history of controversy, leaves little to the imagination.

Ortiz faced criticism for identifying as a black man on lieutenant and captain exams for quicker promotions, and he came to the commission last Friday to defend his actions.

“I’m a black male,” he told commissioners to sneers from the crowd. “Yes I am.”

Ortiz appears white, but he argued race isn’t about appearances.

“I am not Hispanic. I was born in this country,” he said. “That’s how I feel.”

Chairman Keon Hardemon pressed for answers.

“I have a question for you,” he said. “So you classify yourself today as a black male?”

“Yes,” Ortiz said.

“When you applied for the police department, did you classify yourself as a black male or a white male at the time?” Hardemon questioned.

“I think I put white male,” Ortiz said. “Well, I know I put white male, but I don’t know if I put Hispanic.

“Listen, I know who I am but it’s also …”

Commissioner Joe Carollo cut in: “You put down Hispanic male.”

“Okay, as a man I stand by it,” Ortiz said.

“When did you have this, uh, you know, uh, coming to with God moment that you were black?” Carollo pressed. “When did God tell you that?”

“Well, I learned that there’s some people in my family that are mixed and that are black,” Ortiz said.

“I see,” Carollo said.

“Let’s not talk about the degree of blackness,” Hardemon said.

“Oh, no, you’re blacker than me, that’s obvious,” Ortiz said. “And if you know anything about the one-drop rule, which started in the 20th century, which is what identifies and defines … what a black male is, or a negro, you would know that if you have one drop of black in you, you are considered black.

“You are probably black too, Joe,” Ortiz told Carollo.

He also alleged “half of my family is Jewish, you probably didn’t know that either.”

Commissioners dismissed Ortiz after his 5 minutes of public comment expired, and Carollo offered his assessment.

“Mr. Ortiz claims that he’s, uh, black. Now we hear Jewish black,” he said. “I’m afraid maybe next month it will be, you know, a black Jewish woman. I don’t know.”

Ortiz’s comments ignited a firestorm of controversy and many local black leaders are now calling on the city to terminate his employment. The stunt is only Ortiz’s latest clash with the black community and the police department, where he’s racked up numerous investigations, complaints and suspensions for bad behavior, WPLG reports.


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Posted by meauxses
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:14 am to
Race is a spectrum.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:15 am to
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one-drop rule

Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:16 am to
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The stunt is only Ortiz’s latest clash with the black community and the police department, where he’s racked up numerous investigations, complaints and suspensions for bad behavior, WPLG reports.


sounds like he is just a POS

Posted by stout
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:18 am to
Look, if a dude can claim to be a woman despite having a penis then this dude should be able to claim he is black IMO.

It's either all OK or none of it is OK.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68609 posts
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:18 am to
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sounds like he is just a POS

I think you mean black POS
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:18 am to
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I think you mean black POS




Yea apparently Salmon is now a racist for calling out this black man
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:19 am to
Hello, Jesus? Can you put your sandals on and come down here? It's an emergency.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:19 am to
This dude is black, Jewish, white, and Hispanic. Incredible. A child of the world.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:20 am to
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Yea apparently Salmon is now a racist for calling out this black man



apparently so
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68609 posts
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:22 am to
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Hello, Jesus? Can you put your sandals on and come down here? It's an emergency.



Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68609 posts
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:23 am to
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apparently so

I think you mean "I reckon so"
Posted by Steadyhands
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:25 am to
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Race is a spectrum.


And different than gender in that it can go from almost truly black to pale white with anything in between.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:27 am to
It's fine for Talcum X
Posted by Rocket Surgeon
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:30 am to
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sounds like he is just a POS

It worked for Obama. Turns out he was a POS too.
Posted by BRUNNIN4
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:30 am to
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suspended with pay


Sounds like it worked out pretty well for this guy.
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
8620 posts
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:31 am to
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“We can confirm that Captain J. Ortiz has been relieved of duty with pay,”



Hmmmmmm. A vacation.....a PAID VACATION.

When did you realize you were black? As soon as I found out promotions were weighted to favor being black.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
41903 posts
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:32 am to
It's probably just some triggered white guy trying to prove blacks have all the advantages in America
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
11676 posts
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:34 am to
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Hello, Jesus? Can you put your sandals on and come down here? It's an emergency.


I know it's only 10:30, but that's the best post I've read today.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33904 posts
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:38 am to
I defy anyone to tell me why a woman can legally change to be a man and then get pregnant and have a child, but a white complexion man with black ancestors can not identify as black
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