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re: Mayor Broome, LSU President Alexander agree to work together to prevent second St. George
Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I could give two shits who gets it, I don't benefit at all from it regardless of where it goes, and I think it's bullshite that I don't get to deduct that on my taxes.
You don't drive down Burbank, Siegen, Staring, O'neal Lane, or any of the streets that were improved by your taxes? You don't think the Sheriff Dept. who patrols our area is worth some of your tax money? You don't use the park system or the library system either?
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I am more than aware of this. I still say that the majority of people in the proposed St. George that currently send their kids to private schools, will continue to send their kids to private schools for the foreseeable future. Maybe in 5-10 years you get a few trickle over to the public side, but you're not going to see the private high schools have a dip in enrollment anytime soon. Maybe some of the elementary schools might
Good, and no one ever said it would happen overnight. It would take time. It is too late for my grandchildren. One of my children already moved out of the parish. Another sends his kids to private schools as you do.
But it's a shame to see them having to leave or pay the piper to get what my tax money was suppose to provide for them and didn't.
If an ISD comes to pass in SEBR, I predict a huge boom that will benefit everyone in the parish, but narrow minded folks can't have that. They want to continue the old ways, and the old ways divide us, don't provide for our kids, chase off young families, and create many of the problems we see with overloaded roads and highways.
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I am more than aware of this. I still say that the majority of people in the proposed St. George that currently send their kids to private schools, will continue to send their kids to private schools for the foreseeable future. Maybe in 5-10 years you get a few trickle over to the public side, but you're not going to see the private high schools have a dip in enrollment anytime soon. Maybe some of the elementary schools might.
I think you're wrong about this. I haven't done any polling to back that up, but if St. George happens, then if they get their own ISD (not an automatic, but really it should be easy once there's a city), then they get the taxes straightened out and build a few new facilities, then you'll probably see more than a trickle to the public side. Probably more of a steady flow, especially at the younger grades, which will eventually effect the upper ones.
You are right that it's not going to be a mass exodus in year 1, but those are people with kids already established in private schools, can already afford it, budget for it, and have kids that probably don't want to switch.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:15 pm to TeddyPadillac
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In 2015, the median family income in Baton Rouge was $70k.
You telling me taking out NBR doesn't bump that up significantly?
According to the transition report, the average income for St. George was $88k.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:16 pm to doubleb
Yeah that's why they slowly kept redrawing the lines to maximize the sales tax revenue.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:21 pm to CajunTiger_225
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Yeah that's why they slowly kept redrawing the lines to maximize the sales tax revenue.
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:22 pm to tke857
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I think this is short sighted. I have friends from college who come from extremely wealthy families that went to public schools in GA and TX. If successful in 10-15yrs those public schools could be as good as or close enough to the private school counter parts. Again, this is something we wont get to personally benefit from them but it has other positive down stream effects. If those public schools were close if not as good as private schools you still wouldnt send your kids there? I know I would. Id love having the extra $20k CASH in my pocket a year.
My wife and I make $160k combined. Although we live in Texas.
We absolutely would never send our kids private. The schools my kid is zoned to are some of the best in the state. The schools we're zoned too also probably contribute significantly to my property value. The extra 5k or so I spend in property taxes versus living in a different area is way less than I'd pay to send a kid private. The whole school issue is honestly the primary reason I never considered living in BR post graduation.
Once St George gets control of the schools they'd likely see similar results. It'll take some time because that sending your kids private is pretty much ingrained in minds of parents but it would gradually change with time.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 1:23 pm to doubleb
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You are fortunate, you've told us that over and over again; however, many families, especially young families with 5, and 6 year old children can't afford to send their kids to private schools.
Who said I was fortunate? It's not easy spending $15k/yr after taxes on school. I'd like a new F-250 instead of the 2004 Silverado I have. I'd like a new master bathroom. I'd like to go on a really nice trip next year for my 10 year anniversary. I don't have those things b/c I'd rather my kids go to private school instead of moving to ascension and sending them to those public schools and me having more money.
I'm not saying having better public schools is a bad thing. Of course it's good. I just don't think they will be that good, nor do I think private school enrollment will drop in Baton Rouge b/c of it.
I'm not opposed to St. George, I just don't think it will benefit the citizens of St. George that much outside of raising their property value.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 2:58 pm to tylercsbn9
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Once St George gets control of the schools they'd likely see similar results. It'll take some time because that sending your kids private is pretty much ingrained in minds of parents but it would gradually change with time.
I hope it would change with all the effort to try and make it happen, but I'm not sure. SG is different than both Zachary and Central in that both of those communities, even while under EBRSB, still had community schools. I'm making a big assumption here, but I don't think many people from BR were driving out there to send their kids to those schools. So the school populations where primarily the same, did the schools really improve that much? Or did they just benefit more from not being associated with crappy schools in BR?
Of course a counterpoint to my argument is that the real issue is local control and the schools really improved due to no more meddling from City administrators who didn't have the best interests of those students in mind.
So yes, the schools would probably be better in an ISD. But would they improve so much as to pull kids currently in private schools, I'm not so sure. I would love to see a real study/analysis of what happened to schools in Central and Zachary after they left and not just school system rankings. Would love for someone to send me info on this!
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:14 pm to tylercsbn9
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Once St George gets control of the schools they'd likely see similar results.
Not likely. A St. George school district's ceiling would be somewhat lower than the current #1 in LA (Zachary). And Zachary would currently be ranked around #20 in Texas.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:21 pm to Jack Bauer7
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great question, why is King meddling in that bs
Because he knows LSU will be left in the shithole once the split happens and that means higher taxes for LSU directly/indirectly.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:54 pm to tom
Where does EBR rank ?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 3:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I just don't see the point in creating St. George, other than for the school district, which I don't think anyone who makes over $100k/yr gives a shite about b/c they will still send their kids to private schools.
You could not be more wrong. Many families struggling sending their kids to private schools also pay taxes to support those public schools. They would LOVE to save on tuition, even making over $100K
Posted on 4/20/17 at 4:00 pm to doubleb
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Where does EBR rank ?
Quite low, I'd imagine. My point is that an improved, but still considerably inferior public school system is not going to replace private schools for anyone with the means.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 4:17 pm to El Magnifico
This was not in the transition plan, it taken directly from an article entitled Racism:America's Original Sin, although the implications are the same.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 4/20/17 at 4:19 pm to Will Cover
For some reason that chick on the left reminds me of this
Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:19 pm to tommy2tone1999
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This was not in the transition plan, it taken directly from an article entitled Racism:America's Original Sin, although the implications are the same.
Wasn't this part of the BRPD's race sensitivity training forced on them by Broome?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:27 pm to tom
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Quite low, I'd imagine. My point is that an improved, but still considerably inferior public school system is not going to replace private schools for anyone with the means.
Private school people have an inflated view of themselves. A national merit scholar at CHS/SJA would be a national merit scholar at a decent public school. All that's happening with private schools in BR are that they're skimming off the cream of the crop that couldn't get in to BRMHS or U High. They're not doing anything unique to make outstanding students. The students they get would be outstanding anywhere. If BR had a functional public school system, most of those kids would be at Tara or Woodlawn, and Catholic schools would be niche markets catering to the exceptionally devout, like they are in most places.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:29 pm to Jim Rockford
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The students they get would be outstanding anywhere.
Perhaps, but you can't deny that kids interrupting class and bringing guns to school doesn't have an impact on those around them trying to learn.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:41 pm to upgrayedd
Well, yeah, hence my emphasis on a functional public school system. A good public school will provide most of the things you can get at a private school. If you need extra enrichment you can send your kid to computer camp or whatever and still come out way ahead on tuition.
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