re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion

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They show a clip of him checking in with two big bags and what changes for you?

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That its possible he actually brought the weapons in the hotel. As of today, it could be anybody.

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his i would think would be true, the bullet mushrooms or even degenerates going through the first shell which makes it even more unlikely that it pierces the second

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Any chance the bullets lost so much velocity at 1000M that they bounced off/hit the outer wall and simply fell to the ground by the tanks. This would explain the bullets (not casings) outside the tanks we have seen discussed?

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I completely understand he could have made multiple trips, but no video of him even once? Not even checking in? Thats BS.

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He was a member of the casinos VIP club for those that drop a lot of money, they already have all his information, and the room was comped. He just went to who ever handles the VIPs, told them what room he wanted room and they brought him a key card, never had to check in at the desk.

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Disagree. Shooting the tanks was always part of the plan. He had all the people he could shoot from the corner window...it didn't make sense why the other window was smashed unless he needed that to make the shot to the tanks.

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Hear me out. Aft after most of the people fled to his left, they reached the point where he couldnt fire on them anymore with any degree of damage. There is a reason the bulk of the dead and injured were shot close to the main stage and not in the crowd farther back. Because he didn't have a good angle to shoot that area, and when everyone ran that direction he lost his targets.

So he ran to the other room, busted open the window, and tried firing at the large group of people he saw run towards the tanks, simply because he saw it as the last opportunity to take out a large group. He could have been actively aiming at the tanks, or hit them on accident. But if he was trying to blow up the tanks, then why did he stop after only 2 rounds?

We still don't have official confirmation he had incendiary rounds. If made official, it would give credence to the idea that him shooting the tanks was premeditated. Currently, the incendiary information has only come from "un-named sources".

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We still don't have official confirmation he had incendiary rounds. If made official, it would give credence to the idea that him shooting the tanks was premeditated. Currently, the incendiary information has only come from "un-named sources".

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We don’t even have him on the camera in the lobby.

Had to be something bigger than a .223 to go through a 1/4" of steel at a 1000 yards I would think, a 308 maybe? Have they ever let us know what caliber all the rifles were? It he was hell bent on doing maximum damage and blowing those tanks he could have easily done so given his resources.

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We ship hydrofluoric acid 99.7% purity in 20T isotanks and the only pressure relief on the tank is the safety relief valves (2 of them) and they are ALWAYS pressurized with a nitrogen blanket under the 80% rule.

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Most not all but most above ground storage tanks work under hardly any pressure most are maximum 2.5 PSIG, but yes isotainers which we also ship HF/refrigerant and so on ship under more pressure.

On pressure vessels your hydros are anywheres from 1.3-1.5 times the MAximum allowable working pressure and the safety valves are usually set right under MAWP, tanks are usually just a hydro by filling it to it's safe fill height...Now a sphere is a different story and a bullet tank is a different story, they normally have relief valves instead of conservation vents due to being under pressure and for the most part are considered a pressure vessel if performing above 15 PSI

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I honestly think the simple answer to the lack of information boils down to whomever runs the Mandalay Bay hotel is simply wanting as little publicity about this as possible. Sort of hoping it will just sort of go away.

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Just lol. Whatever you need to tell yourself

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Any chance the bullets lost so much velocity at 1000M that they bounced off/hit the outer wall and simply fell to the ground by the tanks. This would explain the bullets (not casings) outside the tanks we have seen discussed?

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It is possible, most tanks are more than a quarter inch thick at the shell, most bottom shell courses are thicker than higher shell courses due to the weight/ pressure of the product at the critical zone which is the floor/shell interface, I'm not sure how high the tank is but if I had to guess the bottom shell course is anywhere from 3/8-1/2" carbon steel which at that distance of 2000m around 666 yards to the tank because I think the concert stage was 1000m is very likely the bullet could have just put a dent in the tank and fell on the ground in the area

I can always grab my AR and .308 and get a piece of 3/8" steel from the fab shop that does work for us and go to my camp and shoot and see what happens

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How does that account for their executive going out of their way to question the timeline publicly?

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Not to answer the question for him, but I think they're disputing it to limit damages in lawsuits. If Jesus was shot and called it in to the desk 6 mins. Before Paddock opened fire, then the Mandalay Bay looks negligent in doing nothing in that time to stop him, including calling the police and using their own armed security guards.