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re: Marksville City Marshals......Breaking two officers charged with murder

Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:58 am to
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:58 am to
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given the facts that have come to light as to how this all ended, you can legitimately say that the marshals would have still fired at the vehicle


holy shite please show me these "facts"...that there MAY have been a dispute between one of the marshalls and the father? That leads you to conclude he would have been shot regardless of what he did?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35926 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 9:59 am to
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Do you run and try to get your kid out of harms way? Or stay and roll the dice that the marshals will be nice to you, knowing that him staying may put him in danger? You can't really call the police, and you can run, but does that help or hurt?


Assuming this version of events is true (I don't necessary believe the marshals were out to get the dad anymore than I believe the cops lives were in danger) but no way I take my kid on a high speed chase.

Maybe he thought the marshals wouldn't kill him with the kid around? Still thats too risky for me to keep my son in the car so I would probably push the kid out and make a run for it (if I was inclined to run, which I'm not)
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70029 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:00 am to
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I was just following your retarded logic which stated that because the dad put the kids in danger it was ok that the cops shot him.


yeh you really have no grasp of what logic is and apparently are terrible with reading comprehension...I see your username is a woman...I should have known.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
12171 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:01 am to
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no excuse for the police actions mind you, but the more witnesses the better.


What makes you think they wouldn't have smoked her too? The law?
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:01 am to
Well, here are facts:

Police said they were serving warrants; there are none.

Police said he rammed them; he did not.

Police are no longer saying anything to anyone.

Police were out of their jurisdiction.

Ward 2 Marshal Still hasn't said anything to anyone.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35926 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:02 am to
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holy shite please show me these "facts"...that there MAY have been a dispute between one of the marshalls and the father? That leads you to conclude he would have been shot regardless of what he did?


How about the only real "fact" we know about this case, that they opened fire on a car and killed at least one of the occupants. How stupid are you? Why do you want to give the only people in this case who we know killed someone such a pass? Because they have shiny metal on their chest?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:03 am to
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holy shite please show me these "facts"


Given what the state police investigators have released thus far, is there anything to suggest that the marshals using deadly force was justified?

From what we know now, were the marshals provoked in any way whatsoever? They also lied about him "jamming" his vehicle into theirs and they lied about a shootout occurring.

If you answer both of those questions with a "no", then who's to say how they would have reacted had the father just pulled over.
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 10:03 am
Posted by microwavedmarshmallo
Member since Sep 2014
36 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:03 am to
You have to go the British papers to find out what happens here.

"Moments later, she said, as the cars pulled away from the light, she saw two marshals’ cars – marked in black and white – approaching from behind with their lights flashing. She looked into Few’s car as he pulled away, and he was pointing at his son’s head, indicating that he was in the car and he wasn’t sure what to do.

Few was afraid of the marshals, she said, because he and and one of the marshals on the scene had a prior personal conflict."


LINK
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 10:04 am
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70029 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:04 am to
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Police said they were serving warrants; there are none. Police said he rammed them; he did not. Police are no longer saying anything to anyone. Police were out of their jurisdiction. Ward 2 Marshal Still hasn't said anything to anyone.


based on this you would conclude the cops would have shot him if he hadn't fled?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70029 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:05 am to
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Why do you want to give the only people in this case who we know killed someone such a pass?


you need to go back and read my posts. I clearly said I am leaning towards them being pieces of shite and if it is determined they were wrong that they get punished to the fullest extent of the law....how exactly is that giving them a pass?
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35877 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:06 am to
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based on this you would conclude the cops would have shot him if he hadn't fled?



Based on that, I'm inclined to believe there was no "high speed" chase, and he was trying to get his boy to safety.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
12171 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:07 am to
at this point how do you even know he fled?

Not much of what the police have said seems to be solidly true so far.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:08 am to
Look, all I'm saying is that given the facts that have come out, there is no reason to believe him pulling over immediately would have changed things much.

I'm not arguing this guy should be the father of the year, but let's not act like he was having a shootout in an orphanage.

Under no circumstances should "my child being shot by the police" be a legitimate conclusion to not pulling over immediately.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:09 am to
Yeesh, what is going on here? How many lies are going to be told in this case?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:10 am to
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you would conclude the cops would have shot him if he hadn't fled?


I don't believe any of us are arguing with any certainty that the cops would have shot him regardless.

However, given the facts thus far, we are trying to say is that it is plausible - at least that is my intention.

ETA: After the recent facts have come to light, there is absolutely no way you can conclude that his son would have been okay had he simply pulled over.
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 10:11 am
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35926 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:10 am to
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yeh you really have no grasp of what logic is and apparently are terrible with reading comprehension...I see your username is a woman...I should have known.


You said something to the effect of "I feel bad for the kid...but the dad put him in danger" and I read that to mean you felt the dad was responsible. How is that an incorrect reading of your statement?

Nice misogyny. Its becoming much clearer why you love sucking that cop dick.
"Robin" is a male name by the way.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70029 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:12 am to
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Given what the state police investigators have released thus far, is there anything to suggest that the marshals using deadly force was justified?


It is appearing that the cops were pieces of shite and unjustified...but they haven't concluded anything yet or brought charges against them have they?

quote:

From what we know now, were the marshals provoked in any way whatsoever? They also lied about him "jamming" his vehicle into theirs and they lied about a shootout occurring.


Fleeing is provoking right?

quote:

If you answer both of those questions with a "no", then who's to say how they would have reacted had the father just pulled over.


Until proven I am not going to be so paranoid to think these two cops were looking to kill him in cold blood. So one of them may have had an issue with the guy...does that make you think his buddy is willing to kill him for that? Why is the father still alive? If they were looking to "execute" him don't you think they would have succeeded?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:14 am to
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at this point how do you even know he fled?


That's a good point. I mean literally everything put out by either the parish officials or the marshals has turned out to be complete BS.

For all we know they just pulled up next to him and smoked both of them, without a chase.
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7236 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:14 am to
Feel the need to say this bc I definitely sided more with the cops initially.

It is looking more and more like this was an unjustified shooting. I'm still sickened that he ran with his kid in the truck. That had more to do with his death than anything else IMO. If this guy is worth the air he breathes, he'll spend the rest of his life in morning and start living right.

If it's proven these cops attacked him maliciously, for personal vendetta, I hope they go away for a very long time.

No matter what, this is a horrible situation and I'm praying for everyone involved.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70029 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:14 am to
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I read that to mean you felt the dad was responsible.


He has some responsibility for his sons death.


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