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re: Marksville City Marshals......Breaking two officers charged with murder
Posted on 11/5/15 at 9:36 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 11/5/15 at 9:36 am to Topwater Trout
Both parties were in the wrong in this situation. Yes, the father acted recklessly by running from police... Especially with his child in the car. However, it doesn't seem from the facts of the story that the police were ever in danger. They cornered the perps car and unloaded at least 17 rounds into it when it proceeded to back up. These actions killed a child. Both parties are culpable.
The issue I see is with the Marshalls. They knew this man's identity. They had a warrant. He was not endangering anyone's lives (and if you say he was endangering the child's life, you're right, but if the Marshalls new that they wouldn't have fired to begin with). I dont see how killing a young man, albeit a criminal is warranted in this situation. If he is able to get away,guess what? You already know who he is. You can catch him another time. No need to kill him unless he is some sadistic child murderer on the loose.
The issue I see is with the Marshalls. They knew this man's identity. They had a warrant. He was not endangering anyone's lives (and if you say he was endangering the child's life, you're right, but if the Marshalls new that they wouldn't have fired to begin with). I dont see how killing a young man, albeit a criminal is warranted in this situation. If he is able to get away,guess what? You already know who he is. You can catch him another time. No need to kill him unless he is some sadistic child murderer on the loose.
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Posted on 11/5/15 at 9:44 am to Salamander_Wilson
I don't care about the color of police or the suspect (I am not calling him a victim...the child was). I will always take the side that if he had just faced his problems he would still be alive. Happens all the time. You would think people would learn from these situations. Guy should be alive but he made a bad decision. Cops may have also but his decision caused it all.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 9:45 am to Strannix
Those cops will have to go to sleep every night for the rest of their lives rememberinh that they killed a six year old child.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 9:55 am to Salamander_Wilson
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They cornered the perps car and unloaded at least 17 rounds into it when it proceeded to back up. These actions killed a child. Both parties are culpable.
Sounds like the shots were fired into the drivers side window/door. Even if he was backing up into another car, the people doing the shooting were not in danger of being squished.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:11 am to Salamander_Wilson
The fact is that a car CAN be a weapon. However, the problem is some officers jump to that as a threat way too quickly. We saw an example of this with the officer who lied about being dragged.
If a vehicle is cornered or blocked in, it's less likely to be a threat to the officers. That's my problem with this situation. I am less likely to think it was reasonable for them to start unloading into a car, especially if you don't know who is inside it.
If a vehicle is cornered or blocked in, it's less likely to be a threat to the officers. That's my problem with this situation. I am less likely to think it was reasonable for them to start unloading into a car, especially if you don't know who is inside it.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:14 am to Salamander_Wilson
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If he is able to get away,guess what? You already know who he is. You can catch him another time.
that is such a stupid statement.
so the lesson you want people to learn is to run from the cops b/c they'll just try to catch you later, and you can run from them again later, and again later.
You are what's wrong with this country.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:16 am to TeddyPadillac
Yeah, I don't agree with that either
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:17 am to TeddyPadillac
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that is such a stupid statement.
so the lesson you want people to learn is to run from the cops b/c they'll just try to catch you later, and you can run from them again later, and again later.
You are what's wrong with this country.
Should the lesson be that the cops will kill you if you try to get away? The 6th amendment disagrees.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:17 am to TeddyPadillac
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You are what's wrong with this country.
Drama much?
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:18 am to Barf
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Should the lesson be that the cops will kill you if you try to get away?
intelligent people already know this is a possible consequence for running
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:24 am to Topwater Trout
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intelligent people already know this is a possible consequence for running
Which is part of the problem. I don't think anyone is saying the driver is not responsible for what happened, or that the cops are fully within their duty.
I get it, you cant set a precedent that it's ok to flee. However, the same can be said for firing into a car without knowing who is inside.
Everyone in this situation is wrong and it's further proof that cops are not equipped to handle themselves in a stressful environment. Maybe the driver was scared for his life and the life of his child, we have no idea what was going through his head. What we do know is that the situation was handled poorly and he should have never been fired on.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:25 am to Barf
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Should the lesson be that the cops will kill you if you try to get away? The 6th amendment disagrees.
if you give them a reason to, yes.
Do you live in a world without consequences? That's not how i'm raising my children. There's consequences for your actions. You should know that if you decide to run from the cops, there's a good chance it won't end well for you. The second you start not listening to the police, you put them on high alert, and the second you do anything close to resembling endangering them, they are going to kill you, and i have zero problems with that.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:28 am to Topwater Trout
So many cuckold betas in this thread deepthroating their policeman overlords.
What a fricking joke of a country we have become.
What a fricking joke of a country we have become.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:29 am to Robin Masters
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What a fricking joke of a country we have become
thanks to you people
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:32 am to Topwater Trout
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thanks to you people
People who value personal freedom. Yeah, we are a problem if you want to kill innocent kids.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:34 am to TeddyPadillac
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The second you start not listening to the police, you put them on high alert, and the second you do anything close to resembling endangering them, they are going to kill you, and i have zero problems with that.
This is fine, nobody disagrees with this. It's the definition of endangering that is up for debate. Shooting in to the drivers side of a car that is in reverse does not equal being in danger for your life.
You're choosing to ignore the fact that being scared, is not the same as being in danger.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:34 am to Barf
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the same can be said for firing into a car without knowing who is inside.
but you can't make that a blanket statement either. Not all situations will be clear cut black and white. No matter how much training cops get they all will react differently in different situations.
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it's further proof that cops are not equipped to handle themselves in a stressful environment
some aren't...how do you fix that? I don't think training is the same as a real life and death situation.
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What we do know is that the situation was handled poorly and he should have never been fired on.
we do? the investigation is complete or are you basing that solely on a child was killed?
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:35 am to Robin Masters
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People who value personal freedom.
Personal freedom shouldn't come with personal responsibility?
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:39 am to Topwater Trout
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we do? the investigation is complete or are you basing that solely on a child was killed?
Forget the kid was even in the car. The issue I have is firing into a car, at night, without knowing what is inside. The other issue I have is the shots came from the drivers side. I don't know what justification you're looking for here, or if you side with cops by default, but what they did was fricking stupid.
Posted on 11/5/15 at 10:40 am to TeddyPadillac
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The second you start not listening to the police, you put them on high alert, and the second you do anything close to resembling endangering them, they are going to kill you, and i have zero problems with that.
My man.
It's not the marshal's fault the dad was driving around with a kid while being a criminal. Dad should be charged with felony murder (I.e. death of another while committing a crime). It's not the job of the police officer to check what they are shooting at before opening fire- their job is to protect themselves and enforce the law.
Besides, only criminals operating under the guise of rights disobey police orders (consent searches, etc.)
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