re: Marksville City Marshals......Breaking two officers charged with murder

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This happens daily across the United States.

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LINK

"Jay Rodney Lewis was a 49- year-old former law enforcement officer in Iowa with a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

While driving home one night, he was confronted by two men, one a drunk, convicted felon.

After using his gun in self defense, Lewis was arrested and jailed with bond set at $225,000. A jury found that he acted appropriately, but he spent 112 days in jail, lost his job and all his possessions, and found himself homeless and penniless."



"Carl Kozlosky was a 53-year-old Cleveland Ohio man.

While on an all night crack binge, a convicted murderer broke down Kozlosky's back door and began beating his girlfriend. Kozlosky shot the man with a .38 caliber revolver.

Even though he acted in defense, he was convicted of murder and sentenced to 18 years to life. It took two years for the verdict to be overturned and another year for Kozlosky to be released on a $10,000 bond."

"Harold Fish was a 57-year-old retired high school teacher in Arizona with a clean record and a license to carry a concealed weapon.

While hiking, a man charged him, waving his arms and threatening to kill him. Harold Fish shot the man in self defense.

A jury found him guilty of second degree murder and he spent 3 years in prison and half a million dollars in legal fees before the conviction was reversed."

I could easily find a thousand cases.




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The Myth

"I won’t get arrested or be charged with a crime if I shoot someone, because there are a lot of gun owners where I live and the legal/political climate is very friendly to gun ownership and self-defense"


The Reality

"It is better to be emotionally prepared to face the worst, while hoping for the best. If you shoot someone, you can expect to be arrested, expect to spend some time in jail, and expect to be charged with a crime. But also — expect to win when your case goes to court. As complicated and messed up as the legal system is, people who shoot in righteous self-defense are very, very rarely convicted. A realistic understanding of what is likely to happen after you shoot may help you weather the legal and emotional aftermath."

I guess it was just the way you explain it.

In my experience, the deciding factor on justification simply falls to the question:

Was it reasonable to believe the officer's life or health or someone else's was in danger.

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In my experience, the deciding factor on justification simply falls to the question:

Was it reasonable to believe the officer's life or health or someone else's was in danger.

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Yeah, I see what you're saying. I think the whole "means, intent, capability" considerations just go to add additional info to see if the officer was in danger. It's just a means to quantify that "reasonable action" test.

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well how the frick do you hit the passenger when you are suppose to be shooting the driver?



Car could be moving. Crazy concept, I know. 

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It comes down to one they couldn't see a target and they weren't accurate.



You don't know that. 

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Hell hitting the other side of the vehicle is worse then if they hit the kid in the back seat.



If you assume the car is stationary and there's no adrenaline flowing, sure. But I'm sure you're an amazing shot under all circumstances. 

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Common sense is if you can't shoot accurately and don't know what is in the car then you probably shouldn't be shooting.



Common sense says you have no idea what you're talking about for this situation. 


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Hell what if the guy had some explosives in the car and they went rambo and the car goes boom killing the driver and them?



Then it's still the bad guy's fault. 

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This is exactly right.

What man?

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We have a judicial process to play out here. The officers will be put on trial that will be decided by a jury.

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Let me fill you in on the process here.

The DA will convene a grand jury, where he will put the marshal's fellow marshals, his family, and his friends. They will say that he's a good LEO and loves his family. His family worries about him every time he leaves for work. The DA may or may not get testimony from the father.

The DA will then paint the officer in the best light possible, and the officer will walk when they find no wrongdoing. DA's need LEO testimony to get convictions- no way they jepordize that over a dindu in the wrong neighborhood.

The marshal walks here.

Have they even said what the warrant was for?

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The city marshals work for the city courts and serve warrants, carry firearms and have police powers, according to the mayor's office. It was not immediately clear what type of warrant they were trying to serve Few.

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How is it not clear?

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In this particular case, the perp was a white guy and the police/marshals were black..chew on that a while

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All this means is there will be no DOJ civil rights investigation.

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Was he armed?

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Yes. With a car.

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Few, with his son in tow, had led the marshals on a chase through Marksville shortly before 9:30 p.m. Tuesday, speeding down Martin Luther King Drive in the town before being pinned in by at least two patrol cars at a two-way intersection in front of the gates of the closed Marksville State Historical Site, a now-closed state park that features a number of Indian mounds.

What exactly prompted the chase and then the shooting remains unclear, but The Town Talk in Alexandria reported that Few threw his truck into reverse and tried to run his car into one of the marshal’s vehicles.

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Father of the freaking year...

What a POS. If that idiot survives I hope they beat his arse to death in prison for getting his son killed.