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re: Mandeville to Madisonville traffic is out of control these days
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:38 am to NOLALGD
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:38 am to NOLALGD
I remember last year when there was pretty significant street flooding in the 1085 /1077 around Goodbee. It was ridiculous. A longtime resident out there was telling me that before all of the recent development it was incredibly rare for flooding to take place after a heavy rain.
By the way in the next 10 years St. Tammany is slated to grow at 75K minimum. With most of the development in the Madisonville/Goodbee area and some on the North side of 12 in Lacombe. The Tamarend project is slated to really pick up steam. So 434 will start to get heavy. I blame Westbankers
By the way in the next 10 years St. Tammany is slated to grow at 75K minimum. With most of the development in the Madisonville/Goodbee area and some on the North side of 12 in Lacombe. The Tamarend project is slated to really pick up steam. So 434 will start to get heavy. I blame Westbankers
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 9:43 am
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:44 am to tigahbruh
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Recent transplant from JP to STP here.
As someone else pointed out, the population has exploded on the Northshore.
However, it doesn't seem like property values in most subdivisions have increased at the same rate as Orleans and J.P. over the last 5-10 years.
This could be due in part to the fact that people grossly overpaid and property values shot up on the Northshore in the five years after Katrina and the last 5-10 years have just been the calm after the storm.
But, it does seem like more and more people are moving to the Northshore every day given the complete f*cking lawless zoo/sewer that Orleans Parish has turned into -- which has bled into J.P. And, therefore, property prices should be going up at a higher rate than Orleans and J.P.
Also, for anyone in the know, why has The Sanctuary seemed to have lost its "glamor"? At one time, it seems like every Northshore OT baller wanted to build in The Sanctuary. They sold a ton of lots at top dollar prices as people intended to build McMansions. I remember a big deal being made about Sean Payton moving in there. But, now, many of those lots remain wooded and there are always lots for sale -- many below the original selling price. What happened?
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:50 am to tigerskin
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Mandeville to Madisonville traffic is out of control these days
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Something needs to be done about it
In the words of the late great,
Ricky Jackson #57:
”Something have got to be did”
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:05 am to MMauler
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As someone else pointed out, the population has exploded on the Northshore.
Truth. Despite our best wishes and drawings due to lack of long range planning, funding, available ROW, and environmental constraints, traffic improvements will be slow, take years to design/build, and won't keep up with the growth. Short of a wide ranging moratorium and/or limiting/concentrating growth to certain areas there is not good solution.
Hate to say it but for folks who want to live in a nice suburban or estate style house on the Northshore with access to decent to good public schools, the traffic and congestion will just be part of the cost of living there. I do feel for the folks who want a more rural character now finding themselves surrounded by more and more development.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:10 am to StealthCalais11
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I think we can all agree that Slidell is the butthole of the eastern I-12 corridor.
Yes we can. I’m proud to be from there and it was a wonderful place to grow up but there’s no way I’d live there now.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:23 am to NOLALGD
The lack of long range planning is unacceptable. What did you guys think? St Tammany was not going to grow? Did you not think that after Katrina the place was going to remain a quiet exurb? The parish allowed development and forgot about a lot of the infrastructure that would be needed.
I 12 should have started the widening 25 years ago when Foster was governor. Same with the rethinking of 190 through Covington. There probably needs to be a new school built over towards Goodbee. You guys should hold developers feet to the fire on putting in adequate drainage in these subdivisions.Maybe the Parish Council should actually take time and work and maybe skip a Thursday or two at Sal n Judy's
I 12 should have started the widening 25 years ago when Foster was governor. Same with the rethinking of 190 through Covington. There probably needs to be a new school built over towards Goodbee. You guys should hold developers feet to the fire on putting in adequate drainage in these subdivisions.Maybe the Parish Council should actually take time and work and maybe skip a Thursday or two at Sal n Judy's
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:30 am to KiwiHead
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and maybe skip a Thursday or two at Sal n Judy's
lets not get carried away...
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:51 am to Supermoto Tiger
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In the words of the late great,
Ricky Jackson #57:
”Something have got to be did”
Rickey Jackson is not dead.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:04 am to KiwiHead
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By the way in the next 10 years St. Tammany is slated to grow at 75K minimum.
Louisiana.gov, DEMOGRAPHICS AND GEOGRAPHY, Population projections for 2010-2030
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:48 am to tigerpawl
I am not sure that I buy those numbers. You are talking about an increase of about 190000+ by 2030 which would triple the historical average of growth over any period in the last 50 years for a 10 year period. The current population is projected at 265,000. If it goes to 460,000, you are talking about Chicago in the late 1800's rate of growth
However if those numbers were even half right, then St.Tammany had best go on a infrastructure spending spree. Because roads and drainage could not support it. You are also probably looking at a significant political shift as well in Jefferson Parish
However if those numbers were even half right, then St.Tammany had best go on a infrastructure spending spree. Because roads and drainage could not support it. You are also probably looking at a significant political shift as well in Jefferson Parish
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:56 am to KiwiHead
quote:I can't argue that those numbers appear to be "out there". However, the study is from the State, so I give it at least some credibility. Current population St. Tammany: 260k. Although it seems like a stretch, it certainly gives cause for pause - and it certainly doesn't minimize the current state of affairs.
I am not sure that I buy those numbers.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:58 am to Tigerbait357
Nice quad beam lamps and chrome package on that f150 there? You go platinum or Kang Ranch, baw?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 12:06 pm to tigerpawl
If anything it should make planners shite the bed because if they started last year ,they would be too late to handle what is coming at them. Politicians are probably out of time for discussing what is coming.
Walker Percy is probably turning in his grave with the prospect of those numbers. He probably would hate the current situation as well....too many people.
Walker Percy is probably turning in his grave with the prospect of those numbers. He probably would hate the current situation as well....too many people.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 12:08 pm to KiwiHead
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You guys should hold developers feet to the fire on putting in adequate drainage in these subdivisions.
That would cut into the "grease the wheels $ too much", the flooding will be epic when we finally get a storm that makes a direct or close hit.
Everything south of interstate will be under water and anything is half a mile of a southern flowing drainage.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 12:14 pm to GREENHEAD22
Forget a hurricane, Spring downpours will cause problems. All those nice houses on the Bogue Falaya finna be full of if not surrounded by water for a prolonged period....regularly. Not to mention the Abita backing up as well.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 12:14 pm to tigerpawl
Those numbers had to be calculated post-Katrina and based on inflated, temporary population numbers. The base numbers are way off, the Orleans parish population today is nearly 400K.
For this to be true by 2030 more than 100K Orleans Parish residents would have to leave Orleans Parish and ALL of them move directly to St. Tammany. Based off the comments on this board if 100K New Orleans residents moved to St. Tammany, half of the existing residents would move and the rest would spend all day talking about the influx of culture.
For this to be true by 2030 more than 100K Orleans Parish residents would have to leave Orleans Parish and ALL of them move directly to St. Tammany. Based off the comments on this board if 100K New Orleans residents moved to St. Tammany, half of the existing residents would move and the rest would spend all day talking about the influx of culture.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 12:25 pm to MMauler
quote:It's still baller. Many of the lots you see for sale are in the swamp in the back. Also they keep adding on new sections with new lots. Go ride through. There are several $2mm+ houses recently built. ANY new construction in there now is approaching $1.5mm quickly. my buddy recently bought an older home in there for $900k and is completely gutting it.
Also, for anyone in the know, why has The Sanctuary seemed to have lost its "glamor"? At one time, it seems like every Northshore OT baller wanted to build in The Sanctuary. They sold a ton of lots at top dollar prices as people intended to build McMansions. I remember a big deal being made about Sean Payton moving in there. But, now, many of those lots remain wooded and there are always lots for sale -- many below the original selling price. What happened?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 12:37 pm to NOLALGD
But even if you take my number of 75K which may be more realistic, you are still looking at major challenges which can ill afford the typical Louisiana wait and see and hope it goes away attitude. You are still looking at a population number of 300,000 to 315,000 minimum. So what's your Point? The current infrastructure can't handle the current population. So the politically connected friends who do "studies" better come up with actual results or you will see a lot of pissed off people as roads stay clogged and flooding continues in areas that don't usually flood.
EXPAND Hwy 59 from 190 up to Abita and widen Dog Pound as well. Then encourage the development more towards Lacombe. You'll never escape some problems, but at least in the 434 and Hwy 36 area you could plan correctly and get somewhat ahead of what is coming. Buuuuut Mike Cooper will probably just ignore it as he gets money from developers.
EXPAND Hwy 59 from 190 up to Abita and widen Dog Pound as well. Then encourage the development more towards Lacombe. You'll never escape some problems, but at least in the 434 and Hwy 36 area you could plan correctly and get somewhat ahead of what is coming. Buuuuut Mike Cooper will probably just ignore it as he gets money from developers.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 1:10 pm to Tiger Prawn
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I propose a new Madisonville bridge that crosses the river south of town.
There already is a private venture group seeking to do just this, but north of town and it connects to 21 just south of Arcosa. Being that it's a private venture it's a toll bridge.
https://madisonvilletollbridge.com/
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:13 pm to KiwiHead
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Buuuuut Mike Cooper will probably just ignore it as he gets money from developers.
I thought that he was a good mayor.
As for parish president, that is yet to be seen, but I think he has common sense. The question is, where is the funding for what you propose going to come from? I mean, I agree with what you say, but that shite will be outrageously expensive to build out.
Given the flooding concerns, environmental impact fees should be seriously reviewed as a means to mitigate some issues.
In my case, I live in a 2.8 acre ditch pond in Covington. It provides a much needed assist for drainage when heavy rains hit. When I moved in 6 years ago, the pond was 8 feet deep and held roughly 8 million gallons of water when full ( the surrounding burm adds 1.2 more acres plus is 5 feet tall...in short, 4 acres total at an average depth of 10 feet deep). Now, the burm (dam) has a structural issue (slated to be repaired) which doesn’t allow for the pond to work effectively. Hopefully that happens sooner rather than later. Evidently the digital attack on the city servers has been a major pain to sort out.
The biggest issue with this pond though, is that it needs to be dredged. It is only 3 feet deep currently at its deepest spot. It is basically at 25% capacity. That is simply unacceptable.
A shite ton of homes will be affected with a 2016 level flood event based solely on this one pond not being properly maintained. My home won’t be one, but I feel for the poor souls that barely escaped flooding the last go around. They won’t be so lucky this time imho.
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