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re: Mandeville parking lot knock out video - Follow Up article and PTSD claim
Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:50 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:50 am to Wolfhound45
I was an 11Z…retired as a Master Sergeant; I worked for a living Colonel.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:54 am to ValhallaAwaits
quote:Respect. I have no doubt you know what you are talking about. However, we are giving this guy a pass. Any KLE that you participated in with an individual acting like that during your pre-mission analysis you would have given a hard pass. Period.
11Z
Sometimes what you see is what is what is real. He is not a hardened combat vet. It appears he was an S-3 Air type on his last deployment (which was not demanding in the context of the times). He is taking advantage of a system that is overburdened by claiming he has PTSD.
Hint, I am a retired colonel (this past summer) who worked in the medical field.
ETA: Who joined the Army and went through Fort Benning OSUT (11B) when you were a very, very young man.
1981
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:01 pm to Wolfhound45
I agree with you re: how it should be handled in a command - what I obviously failed to express properly was my belief that many in today’s society act as judge and executioner without going through a reasoned fact finding process.
You and I both saw how careers are ruined in today’s Army so quickly versus when I first joined in 91.
I’ll wave the white flag on this hill and CM.
You and I both saw how careers are ruined in today’s Army so quickly versus when I first joined in 91.
I’ll wave the white flag on this hill and CM.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:09 pm to ValhallaAwaits
I personally would not make a major decision (two time brigade command, two time battalion command) without the counter-balance of my senior NCO (generally a CSM). Your points are valid. But in this instance, CPT Suarez has (unfortunately) had a pattern of this type of behavior for quite some time. The system (I have every confidence) will work. But he is in a lot of trouble. And I personally (not professionally) take offense to his claim of PTSD. He has anger issues, not (in my opinion) post-combat stressors.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:17 pm to ValhallaAwaits
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:18 pm to SixthAndBarone
quote:Exactly, for me, it changes nothing. He still did what he did, and he should still pay the price for it.
Let’s say he was having a PTSD panic attack. He still hurt someone. All the PTSD means is that he needs help, not that he shouldn’t be prosecuted.
It's like the "not guilty due to reason of insanity" defense. Ok that's fine, but you're still a danger to the community so you still not to be locked up and kept away from the general public.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:19 pm to fightin tigers
I know a man who served in the marines and his 6 boys did as well. None of them punched an out of shape harmless old person.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:24 pm to jbgleason
frick that scumbag and his excuses.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:32 pm to Harry Morgan
quote:
frick that scumbag and his excuses.
I'd like to see Agent Sebastian bust him on Cart Narcs with an illegal curbing.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:34 pm to ValhallaAwaits
quote:
many in today’s society act as judge and executioner without going through a reasoned fact finding process.
Do you need more than the video to make a personal assessment/judgment of whether his actions were appropriate and/or justified?
You have to address the root cause and the symptoms of an issue. Neglecting the root cause leads to the same problem over and over (like thinking merely locking up criminals will change things/reduce crime) and neglecting symptoms of an issue exasperates the issue and potentially turns the symptom into it's own problem (like refusing to prosecute criminals).
You can be sympathetic for Suarez based on your own experience while calling his actions for what they were.
Refusing to do the latter based on some unknown hope of other facts theory doesn't do him or anyone any good. The whole tone of the article suggests that he thinks he has no accountability in this--which should be telling. That said, the real disservice is reading a nola.com article.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:36 pm to ValhallaAwaits
quote:
Wolfhound45
quote:
ValhallaAwaits
I enjoyed two men of honor calmly and professionally talking through an issue they didnt quite see eye to eye on
dont see it much anymore done with civility
thank you both for your service
edit - your drill seargent looks like Princes dad in Purple Rain or sampson simpson (take your pick)
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:36 pm to ValhallaAwaits
quote:
what I obviously failed to express properly was my belief that many in today’s society act as judge and executioner without going through a reasoned fact finding process.
You’re right. We should all wait and see if another video from a different angle comes out showing that CrushBaw was actually parked legally, the old ladies deserved a good crushing and were indeed massive bitches and CrushBaws safety threatened when a geriatric grandfather questioned his manhood.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:37 pm to ValhallaAwaits
quote:
Neither you or I know his service history…
what does it matter? his actions were his actions
I tease, crack jokes about all of you including Vets. But I honor and admire those that serve. But PSTD while very real does not excuse his behavior, why do miliary vets get a pass on PTSD, why not excuse cops, firefighters, emergency room personel, Drs Those are stressful jobs ,,people DIE
shite teachers talk about how stressful their job is,,,I've seen Stand and Deliver,
while I dont doubt combat is stressful and alters your perspective and your reality. Any stress can cause someone to "break" have a weak enough character a parking lot argument can escalate
dudes an a-hole,doesnt negate that we thank him for his servive, but his service cannot provide cover for his being an a-hole
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:40 pm to jbgleason
I can’t fathom anyone not accepting it if the guy has a legit mental health problem and is seeking proper treatment and resolution of it.
That said, the FB comments he made years back still paint him as a creepy stalker weirdo, pre-deployment/PTSD.
That said, the FB comments he made years back still paint him as a creepy stalker weirdo, pre-deployment/PTSD.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:42 pm to Havoc
quote:
I can’t fathom anyone not accepting it if the guy has a legit mental health problem and is seeking proper treatment and resolution of it.
That said, the FB comments he made years back still paint him as a creepy stalker weirdo, pre-deployment/PTSD.
dont forget the universal disdain from people who served with him or know him personally
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:43 pm to OWLFAN86
Is this thread just 8 pages of one guy with good grammar and a big vocabulary white knighting for Richie?
My parents are both veterans. Several of my friends are veterans. PTSD is a real disease, but 99% of those afflicted it with it go around threatening and knocking out elderly men.
As OWL said, being a veteran doesn't give you a pass to be a dickhead.
My parents are both veterans. Several of my friends are veterans. PTSD is a real disease, but 99% of those afflicted it with it go around threatening and knocking out elderly men.
As OWL said, being a veteran doesn't give you a pass to be a dickhead.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:53 pm to FrancisFromScottLA
Great points. I don’t disagree. Saurez was wrong.
My responses have all been from the vantage point of a SNCO who spent 20 years and a few wake ups in the world’s greatest fighting force…the U.S. Army Infantry.
Thankful for those who made great points without the vitriol.
My responses have all been from the vantage point of a SNCO who spent 20 years and a few wake ups in the world’s greatest fighting force…the U.S. Army Infantry.
Thankful for those who made great points without the vitriol.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:57 pm to DomincDecoco
quote:For purposes of anonymity, that junior drill sergeant (a Staff Sergeant) beat the living s**t out of a drunk trainee after the adventurous soul ran his mouth to him and then (gasp) knocked his drill sergeant hat off of a bunk it was laying on.
edit - your drill seargent looks like Princes dad in Purple Rain or sampson simpson (take your pick)
His counterpart to the left of the formation, a Sergeant First Class who was the senior drill sergeant, came in when called about this incident and had trainees internally handle the rest. He personally never laid a hand on the drunk trainee. Not going to say it was right, but it was the Army in the (recent) post Vietnam era. Very no nonsense.
Not going to lie, it kept me on my best behavior the entire time I was there (just over three months).
Posted on 12/29/21 at 1:22 pm to jbgleason
Oh no don't play that shite I know plenty of people with PTSD that do not run around acting like this. frick that guy and his "PTSD" is not an excuse to act like a raging dickhead and punch an elderly man.
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