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re: Mandeville parking lot knock out video - Follow Up article and PTSD claim

Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:50 am to
Posted by ValhallaAwaits
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:50 am to
I was an 11Z…retired as a Master Sergeant; I worked for a living Colonel.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:54 am to
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11Z
Respect. I have no doubt you know what you are talking about. However, we are giving this guy a pass. Any KLE that you participated in with an individual acting like that during your pre-mission analysis you would have given a hard pass. Period.

Sometimes what you see is what is what is real. He is not a hardened combat vet. It appears he was an S-3 Air type on his last deployment (which was not demanding in the context of the times). He is taking advantage of a system that is overburdened by claiming he has PTSD.

Hint, I am a retired colonel (this past summer) who worked in the medical field.

ETA: Who joined the Army and went through Fort Benning OSUT (11B) when you were a very, very young man.

1981

This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted by ValhallaAwaits
Member since Aug 2021
506 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:01 pm to
I agree with you re: how it should be handled in a command - what I obviously failed to express properly was my belief that many in today’s society act as judge and executioner without going through a reasoned fact finding process.

You and I both saw how careers are ruined in today’s Army so quickly versus when I first joined in 91.

I’ll wave the white flag on this hill and CM.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:09 pm to
I personally would not make a major decision (two time brigade command, two time battalion command) without the counter-balance of my senior NCO (generally a CSM). Your points are valid. But in this instance, CPT Suarez has (unfortunately) had a pattern of this type of behavior for quite some time. The system (I have every confidence) will work. But he is in a lot of trouble. And I personally (not professionally) take offense to his claim of PTSD. He has anger issues, not (in my opinion) post-combat stressors.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:17 pm to
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A link to the thread would be appreciated.


Original thread
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:18 pm to
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Let’s say he was having a PTSD panic attack. He still hurt someone. All the PTSD means is that he needs help, not that he shouldn’t be prosecuted.

Exactly, for me, it changes nothing. He still did what he did, and he should still pay the price for it.

It's like the "not guilty due to reason of insanity" defense. Ok that's fine, but you're still a danger to the community so you still not to be locked up and kept away from the general public.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:19 pm to
I know a man who served in the marines and his 6 boys did as well. None of them punched an out of shape harmless old person.
Posted by ValhallaAwaits
Member since Aug 2021
506 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:21 pm to
Thank you
Posted by Harry Morgan
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:24 pm to
frick that scumbag and his excuses.
Posted by whoisnickdoobs
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:32 pm to
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frick that scumbag and his excuses.


I'd like to see Agent Sebastian bust him on Cart Narcs with an illegal curbing.
Posted by FrancisFromScottLA
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:34 pm to
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many in today’s society act as judge and executioner without going through a reasoned fact finding process.


Do you need more than the video to make a personal assessment/judgment of whether his actions were appropriate and/or justified?

You have to address the root cause and the symptoms of an issue. Neglecting the root cause leads to the same problem over and over (like thinking merely locking up criminals will change things/reduce crime) and neglecting symptoms of an issue exasperates the issue and potentially turns the symptom into it's own problem (like refusing to prosecute criminals).

You can be sympathetic for Suarez based on your own experience while calling his actions for what they were.
Refusing to do the latter based on some unknown hope of other facts theory doesn't do him or anyone any good. The whole tone of the article suggests that he thinks he has no accountability in this--which should be telling. That said, the real disservice is reading a nola.com article.
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Member since Oct 2018
11038 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:36 pm to
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Wolfhound45


quote:

ValhallaAwaits


I enjoyed two men of honor calmly and professionally talking through an issue they didnt quite see eye to eye on

dont see it much anymore done with civility

thank you both for your service

edit - your drill seargent looks like Princes dad in Purple Rain or sampson simpson (take your pick)


This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted by AlextheBodacious
Member since Oct 2020
1658 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:36 pm to
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what I obviously failed to express properly was my belief that many in today’s society act as judge and executioner without going through a reasoned fact finding process.


You’re right. We should all wait and see if another video from a different angle comes out showing that CrushBaw was actually parked legally, the old ladies deserved a good crushing and were indeed massive bitches and CrushBaws safety threatened when a geriatric grandfather questioned his manhood.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:37 pm to
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Neither you or I know his service history…


what does it matter? his actions were his actions

I tease, crack jokes about all of you including Vets. But I honor and admire those that serve. But PSTD while very real does not excuse his behavior, why do miliary vets get a pass on PTSD, why not excuse cops, firefighters, emergency room personel, Drs Those are stressful jobs ,,people DIE

shite teachers talk about how stressful their job is,,,I've seen Stand and Deliver,

while I dont doubt combat is stressful and alters your perspective and your reality. Any stress can cause someone to "break" have a weak enough character a parking lot argument can escalate

dudes an a-hole,doesnt negate that we thank him for his servive, but his service cannot provide cover for his being an a-hole
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
30510 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:40 pm to
I can’t fathom anyone not accepting it if the guy has a legit mental health problem and is seeking proper treatment and resolution of it.

That said, the FB comments he made years back still paint him as a creepy stalker weirdo, pre-deployment/PTSD.
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Member since Oct 2018
11038 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:42 pm to
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I can’t fathom anyone not accepting it if the guy has a legit mental health problem and is seeking proper treatment and resolution of it.

That said, the FB comments he made years back still paint him as a creepy stalker weirdo, pre-deployment/PTSD.


dont forget the universal disdain from people who served with him or know him personally
Posted by sweetwaterbilly
Member since Mar 2017
19354 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:43 pm to
Is this thread just 8 pages of one guy with good grammar and a big vocabulary white knighting for Richie?

My parents are both veterans. Several of my friends are veterans. PTSD is a real disease, but 99% of those afflicted it with it go around threatening and knocking out elderly men.

As OWL said, being a veteran doesn't give you a pass to be a dickhead.
Posted by ValhallaAwaits
Member since Aug 2021
506 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:53 pm to
Great points. I don’t disagree. Saurez was wrong.

My responses have all been from the vantage point of a SNCO who spent 20 years and a few wake ups in the world’s greatest fighting force…the U.S. Army Infantry.

Thankful for those who made great points without the vitriol.


Posted by Wolfhound45
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:57 pm to
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edit - your drill seargent looks like Princes dad in Purple Rain or sampson simpson (take your pick)


For purposes of anonymity, that junior drill sergeant (a Staff Sergeant) beat the living s**t out of a drunk trainee after the adventurous soul ran his mouth to him and then (gasp) knocked his drill sergeant hat off of a bunk it was laying on.

His counterpart to the left of the formation, a Sergeant First Class who was the senior drill sergeant, came in when called about this incident and had trainees internally handle the rest. He personally never laid a hand on the drunk trainee. Not going to say it was right, but it was the Army in the (recent) post Vietnam era. Very no nonsense.

Not going to lie, it kept me on my best behavior the entire time I was there (just over three months).
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8811 posts
Posted on 12/29/21 at 1:22 pm to
Oh no don't play that shite I know plenty of people with PTSD that do not run around acting like this. frick that guy and his "PTSD" is not an excuse to act like a raging dickhead and punch an elderly man.
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