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re: Man Found Not Guilty for Shooting 3 Cops During No-Knock Raid
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:51 pm to Mung
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:51 pm to Mung
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They didn't announce that they were cops, so WTF is he supposed to do? Somebody breaks into your house, with guns? No reason for a no knock warrant. Total bull shite.
Actually if you read about the case it appears they did announce they were cops. Part of his affirmative defense was that he was deafened by the flashbang and couldn't hear them yelling POLICE POLICE POLICE or whatever SWAT teams usually say when serving no-knocks.
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 12:42 am to Huey Lewis
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Actually if you read about the case it appears they did announce they were cops. Part of his affirmative defense was that he was deafened by the flashbang and couldn't hear them yelling POLICE POLICE POLICE or whatever SWAT teams usually say when serving no-knocks.
Which seems pretty reasonable albeit a complicated case. The warrant was based on a huge amount of cocaine being trafficked through the house yet nothing was found.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 12:48 am to stout
Hope he gets compensated for two years of his life
Posted on 12/15/16 at 12:52 am to ElwoodBlues
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on't sell or do drugs in or around your relatives house and you won't have relatives shooting at cops thinking their home is being invaded.
So the drug war is worth the threat to innocent bystanders?
Why not just get them in a traffic stop or another time. Why go in the house with flashbangs if you aren't 100% sure the target is in there. It's one thing to support the police and understand their are mostly good shoots, it's another to realize things like No-knock warrants and civil forfeiture are horribly overused.
All another black eye on the failed war on drugs.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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they're operating within a broken system that puts them in unnecessary danger
The police chain of command made the decision on how to execute the warrant.
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the cops, sadly, often don't even know any better b/c it's how they're taught
That's total BS.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:42 am to Huey Lewis
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Actually if you read about the case it appears they did announce they were cops.
Anything you do after tossing in a flash bang doesn't count. Police know this. The whole idea behind using a flash bang is to prevent others from being able to think clearly.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:49 am to Napoleon
I agree that the a SWAT team probably followed the guidance of a case detective who sucked at his job. I would imagine the key to a narcotics search warrant is to obtain both your dealer and his dope at the same time. What's the point if you get one and not the other. And to come up short on both in this case is just bad work.
However, I think traffic stops are fine but you also lean on the possibility of the suspect running in his vehicle causing a pursuit that might last feet to miles. How many people are in harms way once that happens. The will of a man not wanting to go to jail is pretty strong at some points. What if he exits his vehicle during the traffic stop and immediately begins shooting? How many innocent people are then caught in that crossfire? There is no right or wrong way to do this IMO. It's a shite sammich either way.
However, I think traffic stops are fine but you also lean on the possibility of the suspect running in his vehicle causing a pursuit that might last feet to miles. How many people are in harms way once that happens. The will of a man not wanting to go to jail is pretty strong at some points. What if he exits his vehicle during the traffic stop and immediately begins shooting? How many innocent people are then caught in that crossfire? There is no right or wrong way to do this IMO. It's a shite sammich either way.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:15 am to UF
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Anything you do after tossing in a flash bang doesn't count. Police know this. The whole idea behind using a flash bang is to prevent others from being able to think clearly.
Well to be fair to the officers there was likely no crib with a toddler to toss the grenade into confusing with them as well
This is the result of lazy police work, instead of surreptitiously waiting to see if the person they wanted was there, they chose the ole lets just go toss grenades in the house and go in guns a blazin routine.
Did not work out for them thankfully.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 6:47 am to stout
Mr. Rosas bout to get paid.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:01 am to saintsfan1977
Seems to be the going rate for wrongful imprisonment.
I cannot wrap my mind around the fact that over a kid possibly selling drugs, police would go in with flash bangs and no knock, yet be surprised when the homeowner protects himself.
It boggles the mind. And it's worse now knowing that they KNEW they did it wrong. That's why he'll win civilly.
How is it possibly capital murder when a cop is shot, but not when the cops kill An innocent person in the house?
I cannot wrap my mind around the fact that over a kid possibly selling drugs, police would go in with flash bangs and no knock, yet be surprised when the homeowner protects himself.
It boggles the mind. And it's worse now knowing that they KNEW they did it wrong. That's why he'll win civilly.
How is it possibly capital murder when a cop is shot, but not when the cops kill An innocent person in the house?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:26 am to Huey Lewis
Nothing in the story says that
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:26 am to McCaigBro69
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Sounds like the system worked. Enjoy freedom Ray.
Except sitting in jail for two years
I'm sure he will be compensated for it though.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:38 am to BabyrayS2k
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Why do you feel bad for the cops? This was a home invasion.
It's not like the 3 cops came up with this idea. They were probably just following orders.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:42 am to TexasTiger1185
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They were probably just following orders.
"bring that group to the labor camp, and that group to the showers"
"yes sir"
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:52 am to Barf
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"bring that group to the labor camp, and that group to the showers" "yes sir"
Let's not be total frickwits about it. Police attempting to serve a legal warrant aren't quite at the level of genocide.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:54 am to stout
The reason these chickenshit no-knock warrants are handed out in the first place is because we as a society have a flawed view and believe that drugs are morally wrong. So many have been spoonfed this shite and cops and judges literally believe they are doing right by enforcing such terrible laws. It will never change until we have a complete overhaul on the American populations views towards the legality of drugs for recreational use. Couple that with the fact that the War on Drugs is a gigantic industry and it's and extreme uphill battle which is disheartening because one would think that such a simple concept would be easy to grasp for the majority of the people. frick this judge, frick these puppet cops, and frick the assholes that continue to support these laws that allow this to happen.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:56 am to Huey Lewis
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Let's not be total frickwits about it. Police attempting to serve a legal warrant aren't quite at the level of genocide.
It wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. Just for the sake of argument, how far are you willing to go under the excuse of just following orders?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:58 am to ElwoodBlues
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Don't sell or do drugs in or around your relatives house and you won't have relatives shooting at cops thinking their home is being invaded.
It's not like cops have ever served no-knock warrants on the wrong house before. Oh wait.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:04 am to Huey Lewis
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Police attempting to serve a legal warrant aren't quite at the level of genocide.
No knock warrants shouldn't be legal at all.
This is not a deployment zone with the military kicking in doors.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 9:04 am
Posted on 12/15/16 at 9:15 am to stout
Awesome.
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