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re: Man dies in Destin after surgeon removes liver instead of spleen
Posted on 9/4/24 at 4:31 pm to Bwmdx
Posted on 9/4/24 at 4:31 pm to Bwmdx
Agreed. There are a lot of unanswered questions. What type of imaging was done before surgery? What were the results of that imaging? Besides being different organs, the spleen and the liver are connected to different vasculature and organs. For example the liver would need to be dissected away from the gall bladder whereas the spleen would not. How can someone do all that without recognizing their mistake intraoperatively?
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 4:36 pm to caro81
quote:
i know most of you have never done surgery.
i assure you, if you confuse a spleen and a liver during surgery, you are a fricking moron. Not only are they on different sides of the body, they look completely different and each looks nothing like any other organ in the body.
this "surgeon" should go to jail. I've met a lot of MDs that im surprised made it to adulthood. this doesnt shock me at all.
I wonder if this dude will be featured in the next installment of Dr Death.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:19 pm to caro81
quote:Agreed especially since this is his second time. Guy is a hack.
know most of you have never done surgery. i assure you, if you confuse a spleen and a liver during surgery, you are a fricking moron. Not only are they on different sides of the body, they look completely different and each looks nothing like any other organ in the body. this "surgeon" should go to jail. I've met a lot of MDs that im surprised made it to adulthood. this doesnt shock me at all.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 5:20 pm to bulletprooftiger
The operative notes are out there to read.
Sounds like the guy was admitted for abdominal pain, found to have a subcapsular hematoma of the spleen on CT imagin and recommended surgery, patient refused, his hemoglobin continued to trend downward and basically they finally convinced the guy to have surgery.
Took him to the OR, started laproscopic, the belly was full of blood. He identifies what he thinks is the spleen and starts taking it down. Bleeding worsens. Converted to open procedure, massive Transfusion protocol took place, he starts clamping and stapling across vasculature which he still thinks is spleen. Patient codes on the table while he's doing this. Patients dies on the table. Whatever he was excises, he passes off as spleen and then closes. Later Pathology finds it was actually liver.
So crazy. I'd be most interested in knowing what the preoperative imaging looked like. They called splenomegaly with a 30cm x 20cm size etc. But post mortem it sounds like the spleen was normal size. I wonder if it was a misread CT report. The surgeon didn't look at the imaging, went in to the belly expected a large spleen, assumed the left lobe of the liver was this ruptured spleen. And began taking it down, lacerated the hepatic vein and artery and then so forth.
Hard to believe that could happen.
As far as the whole pancreas and left adrenal gland, supposedly not that crazy of a complication and happens. The left adrenal gland is adjacent to the tail and can happen. I'm not a gen surgeon.
Sounds like the guy was admitted for abdominal pain, found to have a subcapsular hematoma of the spleen on CT imagin and recommended surgery, patient refused, his hemoglobin continued to trend downward and basically they finally convinced the guy to have surgery.
Took him to the OR, started laproscopic, the belly was full of blood. He identifies what he thinks is the spleen and starts taking it down. Bleeding worsens. Converted to open procedure, massive Transfusion protocol took place, he starts clamping and stapling across vasculature which he still thinks is spleen. Patient codes on the table while he's doing this. Patients dies on the table. Whatever he was excises, he passes off as spleen and then closes. Later Pathology finds it was actually liver.
So crazy. I'd be most interested in knowing what the preoperative imaging looked like. They called splenomegaly with a 30cm x 20cm size etc. But post mortem it sounds like the spleen was normal size. I wonder if it was a misread CT report. The surgeon didn't look at the imaging, went in to the belly expected a large spleen, assumed the left lobe of the liver was this ruptured spleen. And began taking it down, lacerated the hepatic vein and artery and then so forth.
Hard to believe that could happen.
As far as the whole pancreas and left adrenal gland, supposedly not that crazy of a complication and happens. The left adrenal gland is adjacent to the tail and can happen. I'm not a gen surgeon.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:12 pm to Puffoluffagus
If that is the case this is honestly wildly different
The impression I got was he went in to a perfectly normal abdomen in an open procedure. “Hey get that damn spleen out of here!” Proceeds to remove man’s liver. Sews up man with no liver. He dies.
The impression I got was he went in to a perfectly normal abdomen in an open procedure. “Hey get that damn spleen out of here!” Proceeds to remove man’s liver. Sews up man with no liver. He dies.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:23 pm to AlextheBodacious
quote:
frick having a DO cut me open
Where do you draw the line as acceptable surgeon credentials? Does residency have an impact? Board certification? Step exam scores?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:43 pm to Finch
If they move around a lot, be suspicious.
The medical field is not nearly as bad as LEOs about covering up for one another, but it happens.
The medical field is not nearly as bad as LEOs about covering up for one another, but it happens.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 6:48 pm to LSUFootballLover
She should own the hospital and that doctor should be put under it.
What kinda drugs was that doctor on?
What a dumb arse doctor and doctors. SMDH
What kinda drugs was that doctor on?
What a dumb arse doctor and doctors. SMDH
Posted on 9/4/24 at 7:06 pm to AlextheBodacious
quote:
frick having a DO cut me open
Don’t bash DO’s on this board, some will try and tell you they are just as good if not better. Old Joe’s Whitehouse Dr, who said Joe was as sharp as attack, was a DO.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 7:11 pm to Lee B
quote:
Thomas Shaknovsky is married with three kids. He reportedly enjoys outdoor activities such as fishing and hiking. Dr Shaknovsky speaks fluent English and Russian.
Time to head out to Siberia
Posted on 9/4/24 at 7:14 pm to rltiger
quote:
Don’t bash DO’s on this board, some will try and tell you they are just as good if not better. Old Joe’s Whitehouse Dr, who said Joe was as sharp as attack, was a DO.
Louisiana State University Shreveport School of Medicine:
Average GPA: 3.7
Average MCAT: 504
Campbell University School of Osteopathic Medicine (CUSOM)
Acceptance Rate: 4%
GPA: 3.7
MCAT: 507
Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine (CCOM/MWU)
Acceptance Rate: 15%
GPA: 3.59
MCAT: 510
Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine (TUCOM-CA)
Acceptance Rate: 5%
GPA: 3.56
MCAT: 509
Des Moines University College of Osteopathic Medicine
Acceptance Rate: 23%
GPA: 3.66
MCAT: 507
Western University of Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific (WesternU COMP)
Acceptance Rate: 3.8%
GPA: 3.68
MCAT: 509
University of North Texas Health Science Center College of Osteopathic Medicine
Acceptance Rate: 6%
GPA: 3.84
MCAT: 508
Kansas Health Sciences Center College of Osteopathic Medicine (KansasCOM)
Acceptance Rate: 5.7%
GPA: 3.84
MCAT: 511
Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine (MSUCOM)
Acceptance Rate: 7%
GPA: 3.7
MCAT: 507
Sam Houston State University College of Osteopathic Medicine (SHSU-COM)
Acceptance Rate: 2.52%
GPA: 3.7
MCAT: 507
Posted on 9/4/24 at 7:55 pm to MrSpock
Acceptance rates don’t mean shite. Today, you can apply to 40 med schools with the click of a button.
GPA also doesn’t mean shite either. A 3.7 from a competitive school weighs more than a 4.0 from a commuter school.
MCAT scores are all over with DEI. A poor scoring minority gets admitted to their state school or a private school now more than in the past.
LSU Shreveport is taking over 98% from Louisiana and I would bet overall 100% of their applicants that had the option of LSUS or DO school would choose LSUS.
You are delusional if you think people would choose to go to a DO school over LSU Shreveport.
GPA also doesn’t mean shite either. A 3.7 from a competitive school weighs more than a 4.0 from a commuter school.
MCAT scores are all over with DEI. A poor scoring minority gets admitted to their state school or a private school now more than in the past.
LSU Shreveport is taking over 98% from Louisiana and I would bet overall 100% of their applicants that had the option of LSUS or DO school would choose LSUS.
You are delusional if you think people would choose to go to a DO school over LSU Shreveport.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:04 pm to AlextheBodacious
quote:Trump's primary doctor is a DO. So is Biden's
frick having a DO cut me open
Posted on 9/4/24 at 8:15 pm to LSUFootballLover
No way any US trained physician could make this mistake. Surgeon had to be incredibly high and or drunk.
This is comparable to changing a battery in a car and removing the transmission.
This is comparable to changing a battery in a car and removing the transmission.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:54 pm to sabbertooth
My ex GF has been a nurse paralegal for 20 years for malpractice defense. I texted her the link to this story and she texted back that, on the surface, this is the most egregious malpractice allegation she has ever heard of.
She said there will be a lot of questions to the others in the operating room. The surgical nurses and especially the anesthesiologist.
She said there will be a lot of questions to the others in the operating room. The surgical nurses and especially the anesthesiologist.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:08 pm to LSUFootballLover
In all fairness, they probably look very similar.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:11 pm to doublecutter
quote:And no pics. It's your ex, move on, post something. Forgot what my point was.
My ex GF has been a nurse paralegal for 20 year
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:25 pm to doublecutter
Apparently it was a laparoscopic procedure. Unless somebody was looking over his shoulder at the monitor, would they be able to know what he was doing in there?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:34 pm to LSUFootballLover
Florida, especially the Miami area has the worse most corrupt doctors!
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:41 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:
Apparently it was a laparoscopic procedure. Unless somebody was looking over his shoulder at the monitor, would they be able to know what he was doing in there?
If the surgeon started sawing off the liver and the patient started having significant blood loss, you don't think that the anesthesiologist would have noticed changes in his vital signs?
And I think her point is that if the surgical staff was experienced, even though they were not surgeons, could tell if something if going horrible l ey wrong.
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