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Man Arrested for Gunning Down Cop Who Climbed in Through His Window at 5:30am
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:21 am
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:21 am
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A Texas man is under arrest after gunning down a SWAT team member as the officer quietly tried to climb in through the apartment’s window during predawn hours.
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Guy is currently being held on capital murder charges in connection with Dinwiddie’s death, even though it’s unclear how Guy was supposed to know that the men crawling in through the window were police officers since they hadn’t identified themselves.
The evidence sheet lists a laptop, a safe, a pistol, and a glass pipe, but no drugs were found.
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The warrant, which was issued May 8 and signed by Killeen Municipal Judge Mark Kimball, authorized police to search Guy’s apartment and two vehicles. In the warrant drafted by the Bell County Organized Crime Unit, investigators stated they believed Guy was dealing cocaine and police expected to find cocaine, money and possibly weapons. Kimball authorized a “no-knock” entry, which exempts police from identifying themselves and announcing their purpose before using force entry.
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The war on drugs continues...
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:23 am to NYNolaguy1
Texas. Guns are great unless used on home-invading cops.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:23 am to NYNolaguy1
Again ?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:23 am to NYNolaguy1
No-knock warrants should be illegal anyway
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:23 am to SG_Geaux
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Again ?
Link? I searched didn't find anything about it.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:25 am to NYNolaguy1
i know there is a long thread on the Poli Board.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:25 am to NYNolaguy1
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Kimball authorized a “no-knock” entry, which exempts police from identifying themselves and announcing their purpose before using force entry
I don't understand why an extremely quick knock and announce would be as effective as a no-knock. They can't destroy the evidence any faster.
"Kimball" should be held accountable.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:28 am to NYNolaguy1
this might be a dumb question but why do this at 5:30 in the morning? Why not wait til say, 7:30?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:28 am to NYNolaguy1
I would hope he'd get off in Texas. Just another example of why no knock warrants are dumb as hell.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:30 am to TigerMeister
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this might be a dumb question but why do this at 5:30 in the morning? Why not wait til say, 7:30?
Because the cops say so. Don't question their authoritay.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:31 am to tylercsbn9
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I would hope he'd get off in Texas. Just another example of why no knock warrants are dumb as hell.
Exactly. This is total bullshite.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:32 am to tylercsbn9
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Just another example of why no knock warrants are dumb as hell.
Well my best friend was killed in the line of duty after they knocked and announced themselves first, giving the guy time to get a gun and set himself up behind cover. He then shot my friend in the head after he used the ram to bash the door in.
So neither one is safer than the other.
If they had done no knock, my friend would likely still be alive.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:33 am to NYNolaguy1
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Kimball authorized a “no-knock” entry, which exempts police from identifying themselves and announcing their purpose before using force entry.
Well, that worked out well.
Honestly, isn't this exactly what you'd expect to happen when crawling through a window in pre-dawn hours in a state that prizes guns as much as Texas? Had this man not been suspected of "drug" crimes and the officer had just been some thief, the shooters' actions would be being lauded as exactly the reasons to allow private ownership of firearms. Home protection.
I think the biggest question is, after shooting a SWAT team member, how is it this guy is not currently extremely dead with about 57 bullet holes administered by the rest of the SWAT team??
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:33 am to NYNolaguy1
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Poli Board.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:35 am to SG_Geaux
Sorry about your friend, but no knocks are dangerous for everyone.
Wrong address no knocks happen, and in that circumstance, pulling a gun on someone coming through your door would get you either killed by the police who had no right to be there, or arrested for murder. Either is insane.
This is yet another problem of having local swat doing FBI HRT activities. They're just not smart or trained enough to do them with perfection, like you see in elite law enforcement or military operations.
Wrong address no knocks happen, and in that circumstance, pulling a gun on someone coming through your door would get you either killed by the police who had no right to be there, or arrested for murder. Either is insane.
This is yet another problem of having local swat doing FBI HRT activities. They're just not smart or trained enough to do them with perfection, like you see in elite law enforcement or military operations.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:39 am to NYNolaguy1
There should be a VERY limited set of circumstances in which cops (or anyone) can forcibly enter a private residence and point guns at people.
Off the top of my head I can only think of a situation where it is 100% certain that someone is being held hostage and is in danger for their life.
They do these SWAT/military style "takedowns" because they like to do it. They like the federal grants, they like the toys, they like to be "special forces", they like bigger ammo budgets, they like putting boots on necks.
They create violent situations, then when they die they either kill the person defending his home or they charge him with murder.
I don't know how anyone can defend the practice.
Off the top of my head I can only think of a situation where it is 100% certain that someone is being held hostage and is in danger for their life.
They do these SWAT/military style "takedowns" because they like to do it. They like the federal grants, they like the toys, they like to be "special forces", they like bigger ammo budgets, they like putting boots on necks.
They create violent situations, then when they die they either kill the person defending his home or they charge him with murder.
I don't know how anyone can defend the practice.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:40 am to NYNolaguy1
Interesting read.
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The American Civil Liberties Union has released the results of its year-long study of police militarization. The study looked at 800 deployments of SWAT teams among 20 local, state and federal police agencies in 2011-2012. Among the notable findings:
62 percent of the SWAT raids surveyed were to conduct searches for drugs.
Just under 80 percent were to serve a search warrant, meaning eight in 10 SWAT raids were not initiated to apprehend a school shooter, hostage taker, or escaped felon (the common justification for these tactics), but to investigate someone still only suspected of committing a crime.
In fact, just 7 percent of SWAT raids were “for hostage, barricade, or active shooter scenarios.”
In at least 36 percent of the SWAT raids studies, no contraband of any kind was found. The report notes that due to incomplete police reports on these raids this figure could be as high as 65 percent.
SWAT tactics are disproportionately used on people of color.
65 percent of SWAT deployments resulted in some sort of forced entry into a private home, by way of a battering ram, boot, or some sort of explosive device. In over half those raids, the police failed to find any sort of weapon, the presence of which was cited as the reason for the violent tactics. Ironically (or perhaps not), searches to serve warrants on people suspected of drug crimes were more likely to result in forced entry than raids conducted for other purposes.
Though often justified for rare incidents like school shootings or terrorist situations, the armored personnel vehicles police departments are getting from the Pentagon and through grants from the Department of Homeland Security are commonly used on drug raids.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:41 am to Pettifogger
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Sorry about your friend, but no knocks are dangerous for everyone.
This.
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Wrong address no knocks happen, and in that circumstance, pulling a gun on someone coming through your door would get you either killed by the police who had no right to be there, or arrested for murder. Either is insane.
Wrong addresses are especially infuriating....not only does a family's rights get completely violated, but their lives are put in danger.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:42 am to Pettifogger
Complete bullshite. You go into someone's house in the pre dawn hours in Texas you are likely going to be shot. This man shouldn't be held on murder. He had no idea who was coming into his home.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:43 am to NYNolaguy1
I think anyone with some common sense can figure out that this would happen one day. I would love to be on this guy's jury. Not guilty every damn time.
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