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Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:40 am to imjustafatkid
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iamjustafatkid
You probably should just stop commenting in this thread.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:44 am to BRIllini07
Going off what I'm gathering in that thread it would have to be a perfect storm of bad shite to happen to cause this crash if it wasn't pilot error. A bird strike shouldn't cause those major components to go out.
I know there are a lot of smooth brain posters that are assuming that since it's Boeing that the plane would've been the problem. Friendly reminder than airlines do not just fly these planes off to Boeing HQ and do their routine maintenance. The US seldom sees issues like this because of *mostly* better pilot training and regular maintenance program that are to be adhered to.
I know there are a lot of smooth brain posters that are assuming that since it's Boeing that the plane would've been the problem. Friendly reminder than airlines do not just fly these planes off to Boeing HQ and do their routine maintenance. The US seldom sees issues like this because of *mostly* better pilot training and regular maintenance program that are to be adhered to.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:55 am to beebefootballfan
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Air Canada flight lands in Halifax with a broken landing gear
Totally different aircraft/situation. However, less than 12 hours before the incident in South Korea, a KLM 737-800 also experienced a hydraulic failure and veered off of the runway upon landing.
LINK
Also, something is seriously wrong with the Jeju Air aircraft. The runway at Muan is over 9,000 feet long and that plane went off the end of the runway like a missile. Also curious as to whether they tried to gravity drop the landing gear and why they didn't declare an emergency/have fire trucks waiting on the runway when they landed. I know it initially approached from the south before landing from the north instead. A very odd situation indeed.
Also, news outlets in South Korea are reporting only 2 survivors out of the 181 folks on board.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:58 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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I know there are a lot of smooth brain posters that are assuming that since it's Boeing that the plane would've been the problem. Friendly reminder than airlines do not just fly these planes off to Boeing HQ and do their routine maintenance. The US seldom sees issues like this because of *mostly* better pilot training and regular maintenance program that are to be adhered to.
Plane was delivered to Ryanair in 2009 and stored for a time in 2016, before being sold to Jeju Air. While I agree with your statement as a whole. I don't think the EU and South Korea are any more dangerous aviation environments than the US.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 4:59 am to H2O Tiger
From everything I'm seeing it looks like everything was nominal up until the final minutes. The plane was on final approach to RWY 1 when there was a malfunction in the right engine due to a possible bird strike. That's when it aborted its landing attempt and went around to RWY 19 instead. Eagle eyed pilots on message boards can't see any evidence of flaps extended and a lengthier video shows the plane touching down about 1000 meters down the runway. They (the pilots on the message boards) also seem to be adamant that a bird strike into the engine shouldn't have been enough to cause hydraulic failure in the landing gear. Some seem to theorize that it's possible there was so much shite going on in the cockpit in those final minutes that the pilots simply forgot to lower the landing gear.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:01 am to RollTide1987
This read to me as a AI generated response except for the shite going on part.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:09 am to RollTide1987
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Some seem to theorize that it's possible there was so much shite going on in the cockpit in those final minutes that the pilots simply forgot to lower the landing gear.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
On approach to CDG as I type this. Not the best thread to open.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:35 am to RollTide1987
Oh man. That completely sucks. Quite the fireball there at the end, those poor people : /
Posted on 12/29/24 at 6:48 am to RollTide1987
Holy crap
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:08 am to cubsfan5150
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On approach to CDG as I type this. Not the best thread to open.
Flying out of there next week. Here’s to hoping for landing gears and flaps functioning for both of our flights.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:09 am to jcaz
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Looks like they lost the ability to lower the gear for landing and landed going very fast which suggests hydraulic failure.
No brakes obviously but also no flaps or spoilers. They attempted to deploy the reversers at least. Maybe landed long.
Either way, a hard lesson on why EMAS should be required at every runway end.
I know this may be a stupid question but was there not somewhere else to make a emergency landing that didnt have a block wall to hit? Seems like the chances of surviving a head on brick wall is pretty much zero
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:13 am to RollTide1987
Perhaps time to revisit the design of that end of runway “safety barrier”
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:18 am to BHM
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You probably should just stop commenting in this thread.
Not only is he fat, he's also retarded.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:28 am to NorCali
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Perhaps time to revisit the design of that end of runway “safety barrier”
To be fair, I don’t recall a pilot overshooting his landing this poorly with no real effort to brake
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:34 am to RollTide1987
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From everything I'm seeing it looks like everything was nominal up until the final minutes. The plane was on final approach to RWY 1 when there was a malfunction in the right engine due to a possible bird strike. That's when it aborted its landing attempt and went around to RWY 19 instead. Eagle eyed pilots on message boards can't see any evidence of flaps extended and a lengthier video shows the plane touching down about 1000 meters down the runway. They (the pilots on the message boards) also seem to be adamant that a bird strike into the engine shouldn't have been enough to cause hydraulic failure in the landing gear. Some seem to theorize that it's possible there was so much shite going on in the cockpit in those final minutes that the pilots simply forgot to lower the landing gear.
I’m far from an expert, but this makes sense to me. I don’t know how a bird strike to an engine could cause the landing gear to not work.
Disclaimer: the closest I’ve come to being a pilot is playing flight simulation games.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 8:50 am to LanierSpots
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I know this may be a stupid question but was there not somewhere else to make a emergency landing that didnt have a block wall to hit? Seems like the chances of surviving a head on brick wall is pretty much zero
Not a stupid question.
If a no-flap/no-gear landing must be made by an aircraft that large, you’re going to want the longest straightaway with as little elevation change as possible.
That makes runways the number 1 place to attempt an emergency landing, because they are designed for it.
Fields or roads are probably the next best chance, but they are hard to gauge for elevation and other obstacles (power lines, trees, fences, etc.)
Everyone says “water” but in reality water is unpredictable and the chances of landing it like Sully did are pretty low. Usually, a surface of the airplane will get caught by the tension of the water and will cause a breakup leading to more damage and possible death. Even if everyone survives a water landing, you’re still faced with rising water and potential drownings.
The pilots here did the right thing by choosing the runway as a place to put it down. However the high rate of speed, possible late touchdown, and lack of sufficient drag devices led to an overrun.
The retaining wall at the end of the runway may not be the optimal design of an airport perimeter, but in all honesty, many airports in the US have similar features close to their runway ends as well.
My airport in particular, the main runway has massive drop-offs to lower terrain on both ends. If we didn’t have EMAS on those runways, then the overrruns could be catastrophic.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:41 am to 0x15E
It appears almost everyone perished
Posted on 12/29/24 at 9:50 am to okietiger
I can't see the actual bird that hit the plane in the video so there could have been a flock with only one strike causing damage that resulted in the visible result and others that weren't visible..
Posted on 12/29/24 at 10:00 am to H2O Tiger
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Also, something is seriously wrong with the Jeju Air aircraft. The runway at Muan is over 9,000 feet long and that plane went off the end of the runway like a missile. Also curious as to whether they tried to gravity drop the landing gear and why they didn't declare an emergency/have fire trucks waiting on the runway when they landed. I know it initially approached from the south before landing from the north instead. A very odd situation indeed.
Lengthy question to odd situations usually have short answers… Asian pilots
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