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re: Luigi Mangione, 26, apprehended in Altoona, PA about UnitedHealthcare CEO murder

Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:53 pm to
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:53 pm to
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WE GOT DOTS TO CONNECT BOYS




Fan those conspiracy flames baby
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:53 pm to
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see i hate reading Kaczinsky quotes because they tend to sound really grounded and sane



MKUltra and its consequences
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:53 pm to
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frick it, I'm with OML...... In less than an hours time we already know more about this dude than the fricker who attempted to assassinate Trump.
I’m still not sure what is going on with your posts, but I am entertained
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20346 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:54 pm to
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anticapitalist that drinks starbucks?



Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75223 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:55 pm to
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The fake ID and gun found on him...


Boy, this is moving at warp speed. We'll have a trial before the Superbowl at this rate.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:55 pm to
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Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:55 pm to
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No, but fads come and go quite often.

Would you predict the people who used to call me anti-American for saying invading Iraq was stupid now pretend that their core beliefs include interventionism? Little temporary shifts like this happen, especially with economic instability (which started in 2009 and hasn't let up).

Society typically reverts back to its long-lasting segregations in time. Usually this is because when socio-political line blurring leads to more interaction among the various population segments and they find out they don't like to be around each other and this LARPing that they were similar was bullshite self deception to follow trends.


You'll have to be more specific here. What are the deeply held segregation lines you expect us to revert to?

The reason the populist "right" may have staying power is because it's organic/natural to a lot of adherents. It's a la carte ideology.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:55 pm to
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I’m still not sure what is going on with your posts, but I am entertained

That makes two of us.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:56 pm to
We need a good Norm quote on this one, "he told me, 'I think the worst part of the Luigi Mangione thing was the hypocrisy.' And I disagreed. I thought it was the murdering.'"

Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:57 pm to
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Quite frankly it’s the populists vs the Establishment and authoritarians. Right vs Left has effectively been dead since Trump won the first time around
This is a part of it, but I think overly simplistic and still inaccurately silos a lot of people. Again, I may be falling into the trap of projecting what I see and feel too broadly, but I don’t think I am.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:59 pm to
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Quite frankly it’s the populists vs the Establishment and authoritarians.


Well, some of the anti-establishment contingents are somewhat authoritarian.

I'd argue it's liberalism (in all its variants including the establishment) vs. a smorgasbord of post-liberal/non-liberal/somewhat liberal ideologies.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted by RelicBatches86
Florida
Member since Nov 2024
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 2:00 pm to
The first Trump shooter was shoot dead immediately. he was a 19 year old who lived with his parents. Who only managed to get that far because of a very inept Secret Service

The 2nd Trump shooter was a Ukraine nut who's mailing his manifesto to journalists from prison.

What is there to know?
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 2:00 pm to
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“Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy then gives them the drugs to take away their unhappiness,’’ Kaczynski wrote at one point in a quote liked by Mangione. “Science fiction It is already happening to some extent in our own society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual’s internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable.’’


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Clearly written by a mathematics prodigy. Reads like a series of lemmas on the question of 21st century quality of life.

It's easy to quickly and thoughtless write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it's simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out.

He was a violent individual - rightfully imprisoned - who maimed innocent people. While these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary.

A take I found online that I think is interesting:

"Had the balls to recognize that peaceful protest has gotten us absolutely nowhere and at the end of the day, he's probably right. Oil barons haven't listened to any environmentalists, but they feared him."

When all other forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. You may not like his methods, but to see things from his perspective, it's not terrorism, it's war and revolution. Fossil fuel companies actively suppress anything that stands in their way and within a generation or two, it will begin costing human lives by greater and greater magnitudes until the earth is just a flaming ball orbiting third from the sun. Peaceful protest is outright ignored, economic protest isn't possible in the current system, so how long until we recognize that violence against those who lead us to such destruction is justified as self-defense.

These companies don't care about you, or your kids, or your grandkids. They have zero qualms about burning down the planet for a buck, so why should we have any qualms about burning them down to survive?

We're animals just like everything else on this planet, except we've forgotten the law of the jungle and bend over for our overlords when any other animal would recognize the threat and fight to the death for their survival. "Violence never solved anything" is a statement uttered by cowards and predators."


dude was full ted pilled

Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 12/9/24 at 2:01 pm to
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Look at the nostrils on that schnoz. Doing blow with him must be a pain because he vacuums it all up along with the bathroom sink.
Posted by RaginRampage
Detroit Lions Fan
Member since Feb 2018
278 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 2:02 pm to
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But this is why they offer rewards. $60k means a lot to someone working at McDonalds


Is this considered ordinary income? Do you have to report it on your taxes?
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20346 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 2:02 pm to
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What if his parents cut him off from their insurance at 25 and he can’t afford it now? He’s one year out from that, so it’s quite possible.



Data Engineer in Santa Monica with and undergrad and grad degree from Penn. And a rich family. Seriously doubt this dude was struggling with back surgery payments.

LINK
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75223 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 2:05 pm to
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Data Engineer in Santa Monica with and undergrad and grad degree from Penn. And a rich family. Seriously doubt this dude was struggling with back surgery payments.

Who took a bus from Atlanta to NYC, mingling for hours with the dregs of society in the unique Hell that is a Greyhoud bus. That's dedication to the cause.

I guess to fight for the people you must become the people.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 2:06 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477263 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 2:06 pm to
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You'll have to be more specific here.


We break down along pretty similar lines, especially since the Enlightenment. You can use the 4 quadrant political compass, breakdowns by socio-economic classifications, breakdowns by production class, etc. Sometimes new SES classifications emerge and production classes die, but those typically only cover niche/poles.

So all the educated/professional types who were former classical Republicans who are LARPing as populist "working men" will only LARP as long as they don't have to interact with real working people. Once that crossover happens in their lives, they will revert back to classical Republican and ensure zoning to keep those trailers and tattoo parlors out of their neighborhoods.

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The reason the populist "right" may have staying power is because it's organic/natural to a lot of adherents

Yeah, poor people. When the upper-middle class who are currently LARPing as poor (self-described "middle class" making $200k+/year) actually have to interact with poor people, they're going to revert back quickly. It's only natural to them when they lie to themselves and LARP.
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