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re: LSU gives Pi Kappa Phi the boot until 2023

Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by Hermit Crab
Under the Sea
Member since Nov 2008
7381 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:08 pm to
Ben Wynn’s died 20 years ago at lsu
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37664 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:09 pm to
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95% of LSU Greeks dads aren’t shite



and its LSU, not Harvard. Pedigree doesn't even apply for 98.5% of the students. They don't have one.


All LSU cares about is how you're paying. Not where or who it comes from.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23034 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:11 pm to
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Meh, 18 yr olds have never been much for maturity, and today, with parents hovering over them so much, it's the first time they get to experience anything without mama's tit being nearby.

If these kids were able to stand up to peer pressure, they wouldn't join a frat to begin with.


Gotcha all frat guys are just weak minded simpletons. Really do think some frat dude snagged your girl.

As far as maturity goes, Uncle Sam thinks an 18yr is mature enough to give them an automatic weapon.

ETA: people quit frats during their pledge year all the time. Also news flash, many of the alcohol poisoning issues have been more about the pledge trying to show off more so than the senior frat people force pouring drinks down their throats.
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 12:17 pm
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15750 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:12 pm to
GI 449 checking in!
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34353 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:12 pm to
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And cut off their university funding
lol

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access to university stuff?

the only thing they would be losing is their reserved seating at football games
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 1:02 pm
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34353 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:14 pm to
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Well, when I was in school 20 years ago, I don't remember people dying due to frat hazing, so I guess we can start there.
I can assure you that 20 years ago, some students died from drinking too much

and all of the established fraternities at LSU wouldn't force anyone to drink with the exception of maybe DKE
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
15853 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:15 pm to
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Fratstars are not plant baws.

In the 1980’s, this is exactly who a lot of fratstars were. Tuition was cheap and baws would work offshore over the summer and earn enough for tuition, room, board, and dues.

There just are not enough good white collar jobs in Louisiana to breed the kids needed to fill out the entire Greek roster.

LSU should be held partially liable for future Greek-related incidents. Experience has shown that many of these organizations cannot live up to the excessive rules that the university has established. End the whole Greek system now or accept responsibility when one of your Greek organizations breaks a rule. It seems like more kids get hurt as the rules get stricter and stricter.
Posted by AFistfulof$
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2013
1012 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:16 pm to
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Need i say more to shiw the complete moronic thought process.


My point was that I started drinking in high school growing up in NOLA and partied hard in college at LSU. Had many friends in college that were in Frats, we all hung out at bars on the regular.. nobody died. You shouldn’t punish an entire group bc a few idiots took it overboard. Kids are going to be kids. I think it’s up to the fraternity alumni to show these guys what is proper and what is ok when it comes to initiation stuff. College kids throwing a keg party is College man. Forcing a kid to drink a bottle of everclear is beyond stupid. Can you see the difference?
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15750 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:20 pm to
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Fratstars are not plant baws.


Half the people in Pi Kapp in the mid-late 2000s were construction management majors.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37664 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:24 pm to
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I can assure you that 20 years ago, some students died from drinking too much


does the name Benn Wynn sound familiar?
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58769 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:24 pm to
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Harvard. Pedigree doesn't even apply for 98.5% of the students. They don't have one.
there are maybe like a dozen kids enrolled at any given time whose names mean anything.

And that’s probably generous.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37664 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:26 pm to
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there are maybe like a dozen kids enrolled at any given time whose names mean anything.

And that’s probably generous.



exactly. and I guarantee you their names DO matter.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:28 pm to
Being in a black frat/sorority must be fricking awesome. Honestly, what school nowadays has the balls to kick a black frat/sorority off campus?
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34353 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:34 pm to
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Being in a black frat/sorority must be fricking awesome. Honestly, what school nowadays has the balls to kick a black frat/sorority off campus?
some pledges walked into a house with beer.....kicked off campus

branding your pledges with a hot iron......that's cool
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3918 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:35 pm to
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YOU CANT SERVE ALCOHOL TO MINORS. YOU CANT LET MINORS BRING ALCOHOL AND DRINK ON YOUR PROPERTY! YOU CANT FORCE MINORS TO BEEAK THE LAW!


Max wasn’t a minor. Also, I think responsibility should be taken by all involved including Max had he survived. He caved to peer pressure but wasn’t physically forced to do anything



Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:39 pm to
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Max wasn’t a minor. Also, I think responsibility should be taken by all involved including Max had he survived. He caved to peer pressure but wasn’t physically forced to do anything


You know, an iota of personal responsibility would go a long way to fixing a lot of these issues.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:51 pm to
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While I was in, did I do dumb things with my pledge brothers such as drink to excess? Absolutely. But doing so was always MY choice.



I can't speak to your individual experience, but I think you're grossly underselling the peer pressure angle here. I also pledged for part of a semester and quickly realized frat life wasn't for me. But to say it was easy to walk away from ignores the immense pressure on pledges to walk the line and do as their told by the actives. You're talking about mostly 18 year olds desperately trying to fit in and be a part of something most had looked forward to for a few years. When I decided to walk away from it, the pledges I thought I had formed at least a casual friendship with shunned and shamed me as a weak person. And my decision had nothing to do with any hazing or anything, but it was still one I agonized over because I didn't want to be seen as weak for not being able to handle it.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 1:07 pm to
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It's so obviously kids that weren't confident enough to talk to the hot girls on campus. You can find a high concentration of douches in some houses I'm sure, but it's not any more so then any other group of young 18-23 year old males lol




Agreed
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37664 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 1:19 pm to
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I can't speak to your individual experience, but I think you're grossly underselling the peer pressure angle here.


horse shite



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I also pledged for part of a semester and quickly realized frat life wasn't for me. But to say it was easy to walk away from ignores the immense pressure on pledges to walk the line and do as their told by the actives.


Its not a criminal gang like MS13. What
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immense pressure on pledges to walk the line and do as their told by the actives

are you talking about?



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You're talking about mostly 18 year olds desperately trying to fit in and be a part of something most had looked forward to for a few years.


never knew a single pledge or active that fit this. Your description sounds like very insecure people who probably pledged the wrong fraternity.

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When I decided to walk away from it, the pledges I thought I had formed at least a casual friendship with shunned and shamed me as a weak person.


you quit. What did you think they were gonna do?


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And my decision had nothing to do with any hazing or anything, but it was still one I agonized over because I didn't want to be seen as weak for not being able to handle it.




sounds like you're still agonizing over it, which goes back to the insecurity thing. This is more about you as a person. Not the big "bully" actives
or the frat itself.

Way too much emphasis on the organization and not the individual. Which fits with the "it takes a village" "community" bull shite Collegiate bureaucrats love to preach. I'm sure things have changed since I was at LSU, but I think blaming the organization is a convenient excuse. Like blaming the tobacco company, the bar that served the drinks, or Sugar for your being fat. The individual should bear the responsibility for the results. Blaming others for your actions is just a cathartic exercise that now is treated as legit.

no matter what happens, its not your fault.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 5/21/19 at 1:33 pm to
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sounds like you're still agonizing over it



Totally. It's been over 30 years of agony for me. I'm not sure how I'll ever be able to move on from it.

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its not your fault.



It was 100% my fault. I picked the wrong frat for the wrong reasons and it didn't work out for me. I don't blame the frat at all, but that doesn't mean there wasn't incredible pressure on me to "fit in" and be a good Greek soldier. Perhaps that would have slacked off once I became an active, but I didn't want to be a part of a group that molded me into their image and I felt like that was what was happening.
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