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re: LSU fraternities BANNED from tailgating
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:03 pm to tigerinthebueche
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:03 pm to tigerinthebueche
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"we" didn't kill anyone. those two killed themselves. Unless someone forced the liquor down Gruver's throat, his death is on him.
"Peer pressure is the direct influence on people by peers, or the effect on an individual who gets encouraged to follow their peers by changing their attitudes, values or behaviors to conform to those of the influencing group or individual."
"it is believed that peer pressure of excessive drinking in college comes down to three factors; being offered alcohol, modeling and social norms. Offering alcohol can be both as a kind gesture or the other extreme which is forceful. Then you have the modeling which is being a “copycat” and following your friends then finally you have the social norms which are drinking. There are two reasons why people do it; because everyone does it, or as a means to fit into social groups. on entering college most people begin to increase their amount of alcohol intake, this is more so true to those who do not live at home. This would be because you have shifted from being influenced by your parents to being influenced by your college peers."
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Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:07 pm to EA6B
So you're saying kids can drink themselves to death?
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:08 pm to EA6B
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"Peer pressure
For us this was always about keg stands and getting drunk and going after the ladies. Never did any of us ever consider forcing someone to drink at levels needed to get a .48 or whatever BAC.
That's not peer pressure.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
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That's not peer pressure
and you have to have the will to not do something because everyone else is doing it or someone is "pressuring" you to do it.
I drank ridiculously at times in college. I wanted to. No one pressured me. That's my point about Gruver. I think he wanted to drink just like Ben Wynn wanted to drink. That someone urged him to do so, is corollary. But you choose to do what you do and how far you take it. Sometimes it gets away from you, but you put the wheels in motion. You can't blame everyone else for it.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:27 pm to LSUFanHouston
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For us this was always about keg stands and getting drunk and going after the ladies.
Never did any of us ever consider forcing someone to drink at levels needed to get a .48 or whatever BAC. That's not peer pressure.
Would Gruver have sat in a house by himself and consumed that much alcohol? It would be a rare occurrence for anyone that age to engage in dangerous behavior for any reason other than peer pressure. Before saying something is not peer pressure it would be a good idea to learn what it is.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:35 pm to TigerStripes06
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Pretty easy to pick out the virgin losers with no friends that couldn’t get into a fraternity.
Ill be honest. i am jealous of frat guys partying with girls and having fun. my experience was boring and lame. but Gruver had a BAC of .4 thats just uncalled for. couldve been avoided.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:47 pm to Boo Krewe
Wow.
To think, it could have been you....
To think, it could have been you....
Posted on 10/3/18 at 12:53 pm to EA6B
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Would Gruver have sat in a house by himself and consumed that much alcohol?
I don't know. Do you?
Could he have told them he'd had enough? And quit drinking?
Posted on 10/3/18 at 1:01 pm to tigerinthebueche
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"we" didn't kill anyone. those two killed themselves. Unless someone forced the liquor down Gruver's throat, his death is on him.
This deflection of responsibility and accountability is exactly why the administration feels like they need to take it into their own hands, whether you like to admit it or not
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I get that - I do... just pisses me off that all are lumped as one
I wasn’t talking to you there bud...
a little OT, but I was bass fishing in denham springs over the summer, and I caught what I thought was a HUGE bass (felt like one when he hit the worm, and when he rolled over in the water I saw the lighter colored belly so I started flipping out) only to pull up a decent sized choupique.. I had never caught one, much less even seen one in person before so I had no clue what it was.... just a little CSB that I think about sometimes when I see you post lol
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 1:14 pm to ChineseBandit66
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I'm sorry you were a GDI in undergrad and still mad about it probably a decade later
2 Decades later and I married a sorority girl who I dated our senior year at LSU in 98.
I had a lot of fun on their bus trips and at the parties.
You'll never find me posting about Fraternities buying friends or knocking the social aspect of Greek Life.
All I did is make a point about killing pledges yielding some harsh consequences while other equally drunk social groups on campus didn't kill their members.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 1:26 pm to Mr. Hangover
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This deflection of responsibility and accountability is exactly why the administration feels like they need to take it into their own hands, whether you like to admit it or not
I'm not deflecting. I'm outright denying it. The individual has to be accountable for himself. Blaming everyone else cause you drink too much- regardless of who is pressuring you- is your fault.
Since the Gruver trial is still ongoing, and all the facts are still unknown, I'll allow for the chance that something could come to light that makes me change my mind.
But Wynn was all on him. No one else. IMO.
The admin isn't taking it into their own hands b/c two pledges died. They want to get rid of the greeks. This is just an excuse.
Unfortunately, two pledges- not all greeks- have given them the chance to do so.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 1:31 pm to rowbear1922
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one shitty fraternity kills a kid
People aren’t focusing on this part enough. This wasn’t sae, pi kapp, acacia, Fiji, sigma nu, ka, or even delta chi or sigma chi
This was phi delta theta, it’s a bunch of cast offs and not indicative of true Greeks at LSU. They are no better than the losers with the fire engine
Posted on 10/3/18 at 3:42 pm to bee Rye
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This was phi delta theta, it’s a bunch of cast offs and not indicative of true Greeks at LSU. They are no better than the losers with the fire engine
I mean I feel bad for the kid's parents, but I agree with you. I knew people in pretty much every fraternity due to graduating from Catholic and living all my life in BR. I never knew one person who was a Phi Delta Theta. That doesn't make the actions of about 10 any better but again, that is 0.2% of the Greeks on LSU's campus.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 3:52 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I'm not deflecting. I'm outright denying it. The individual has to be accountable for himself. Blaming everyone else cause you drink too much- regardless of who is pressuring you- is your fault.
If that's what you want to believe that's fine, but the reality is fraternities have been found libel in the death and injury of members due to consumption of alcohol just as have bartenders, bars, clubs, and homeowners. Unless attitudes such as yours concerning drinking as part of Greek life change the situation will only become worse resulting in more law suits with the final death blow being no one willing to assume the risk of providing them insurance.
dram shop rule
n. a statute (Dram Shop Act) or case law in 38 states which makes a business which sells alcoholic drinks or a host who serves liquor to a drinker who is obviously intoxicated or close to it, strictly liable to anyone injured by the drunken patron or guest.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 10/3/18 at 4:32 pm to EA6B
To the anti frat crew. Yall hate us cuz you aint us.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 5:03 pm to EA6B
No dram shop laws in Louisiana baw. Research better.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 5:24 pm to drunkgerberbaby
EA6B isn’t exactly wrong...there is no dram shop liability in Louisiana, but this is where the whole hazing thing can cause a problem with the limitation of liability from alcohol
This is from LA RS 9:2800.1
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E. The limitation of liability provided by this Section shall not apply to any person who causes or contributes to the consumption of alcoholic beverages by force or by falsely representing that a beverage contains no alcohol.
This is from LA RS 9:2800.1
Posted on 10/3/18 at 5:28 pm to Placebeaux
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To the anti frat crew. Yall hate us cuz you canklus
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Placebeaux
Checks out
Posted on 10/3/18 at 5:32 pm to drunkgerberbaby
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No dram shop laws in Louisiana baw. Research better.
Never said there was, my post is in the context of a national problem, however I am pretty sure Gruver's family will be suing the frat with the only point of contention being what constitutes force, but there is already plenty of case law that determined "physical action" is not necessarily a requirement for someone's actions to be forced.
La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §9:2800.1
E. The limitation of liability provided by this section shall not apply to any person who causes or contributes to the consumption of alcoholic beverages by force or by falsely representing that a beverage contains no alcohol.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 5:36 pm
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