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re: Louisiana to consider mandatory summer school
Posted on 9/28/22 at 3:35 pm to DirtyDawg
Posted on 9/28/22 at 3:35 pm to DirtyDawg
I can read to my kid (& have since birth) all night but no way in hell I'd ever be able to teach her how to read.
Besides the fact that there are other subjects to teach, it does no good to teach a kid to read if it isn't being reinforced outside the classroom. Kids don't just go to school, learn to read in class and have it down pat. They have to be exposed to it outside the classroom, and that's not happening in a lot of these schools.
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And what the frick are the teachers doing for 9-10 months if they can't teach everyone in their class how to read on grade level?
Besides the fact that there are other subjects to teach, it does no good to teach a kid to read if it isn't being reinforced outside the classroom. Kids don't just go to school, learn to read in class and have it down pat. They have to be exposed to it outside the classroom, and that's not happening in a lot of these schools.
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 3:39 pm to CoachChappy
With all the scholars running around, it makes sense
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:12 pm to PowerTool
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As someone else said, you can’t assume all parents are capable of teaching literacy at home.
I wouldn’t expect all pre-K students to show up knowing how to read. Do these parents know their letters, numbers, and colors? Simple counting and letter recognition can be taught by practically anyone. The literacy of the parent isn’t the problem. The total lack of effort to spend quality time with their children and their own devaluing of education is the problem. I wish people would stop making excuses for “deadbeat” parents.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:21 pm to Packer
quote:BINGO! The main difference between high performing students and low performing students is that high performing students have parents (usually two) that teach their kids proper manners like how to stay quiet for 10 minutes, how to not interrupt an adult, how to not scream when you're inside a room. When you're talking for half the class, you're gonna get bad results.
1/2 the time you are correcting behavior instead of actually teaching during the interventions.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:23 pm to Earnest_P
quote:If you have a reading level below the 4th grade, you shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
The parents might not know how to read very well either. It’s a cycle. Not sure how so many people feel such sympathy for the children for not being raised correctly but then no sympathy for when the child grows up.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:24 pm to CoachChappy
Starting in 6th grade public schools should incorporate something like the college Deep Springs College.
This is part of what the college does.
deepsprings.edu
There was a 60 mins segment on it awhile back.
60 Mins Deep Springs
I am not saying for it to be identical to this, but give kids shite to do that they have to take responsibility for and that they can take some pride in doing and that will teach them life skills.
The school system in general is shite especially when they get to HS. For kids who are not going to college there is very little. So if you are not going to college, its almost as if they are going at it as if there is nothing for them. They are not introduced to what skills they can learn that can earn them a good living.
Its fricked and that's part of the reason these kids are attracted to the streets.
This is part of what the college does.
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The three pillars, which comprise students’ formal responsibilities in their two years at the college, prompt each student to take real responsibility for and ownership of the community. Students are expected to bring a high level of preparation and engagement to their classes, which are generally constructed around seminar-style discussion and often have fewer than eight participants. The Student Body is responsible for many aspects of running the College, admitting students, hiring faculty, and reviewing student and faculty performance. Each student also labors roughly twenty hours each week. Labor positions include working on the farm and ranch, as well as daily tasks of cooking, cleaning, and maintaining facilities and vehicles.
deepsprings.edu
There was a 60 mins segment on it awhile back.
60 Mins Deep Springs
I am not saying for it to be identical to this, but give kids shite to do that they have to take responsibility for and that they can take some pride in doing and that will teach them life skills.
The school system in general is shite especially when they get to HS. For kids who are not going to college there is very little. So if you are not going to college, its almost as if they are going at it as if there is nothing for them. They are not introduced to what skills they can learn that can earn them a good living.
Its fricked and that's part of the reason these kids are attracted to the streets.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:26 pm to Limitlesstigers
My wife no pics, a literacy specialist, says this is proven not to work. Whoever said it’s about something other than literacy, like free lunches or some kickback to other people is exactly right. If you don’t start early and progress them appropriately, no 30 hour crash course will have any effect; as the studies and previous attempts show…. This is basically some $$$ boondoggle!
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:31 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Most of those "Republicans" are baby boomers who voted Democrat up until the year 2000. If you look at the structure of our regulatory system, it resembles something you would see in New Jersey or Illinois.
Republicans have had de facto control of the state since 1996 and overall few things have changed in the employment picture.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:31 pm to JJ27
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My kids are juniors and do not go to bed before 1am
That sounds insane and needs to be looked into
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:34 pm to Limitlesstigers
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If you have a reading level below the 4th grade, you shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
Thanks for your input, Mao.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:12 pm to Earnest_P
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If you have a reading level below the 4th grade, you shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
Thanks for your input, Mao.
The difference between a realist and an idealist, ladies and gentlemen.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:14 pm to CoachChappy
Racist or more free childcare?
Some people will be very torn.
Some people will be very torn.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:42 pm to whoa
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I can read to my kid (& have since birth) all night but no way in hell I'd ever be able to teach her how to read.
You are, in fact, teaching her to read! It's the exposure to words, in general, and hearing the correct pronunciation of a variety of words that helps imprint this information in the brain.
So, when she goes to school, she has all of these references to draw upon when the teacher starts formally teaching. Literacy isn't just visually breaking the code, it's making it easier to recognize what they're seeing if they've heard it a million times.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:43 pm to CoachChappy
school should be year round
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:08 pm to CoachChappy
Governments solution to failed government is more government, every fricking time.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:11 pm to CoachChappy
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Why aren't we doing this during the school year?
Too busy teaching curriculum based around a standardized test.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:48 pm to brass2mouth
It’s true. And our teacher hands are tied. We hate that damn test.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:53 pm to TDsngumbo
quote:. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I taught in Louisiana for 8 years, and I was union. I could’ve been let go for any reason at anytime. If it’s “hard” to fire teachers, it’s because there is a massive teacher shortage. The literacy problem is due to the fact that standards have been lowered for a couple of generations now. It’ll take 20 years to unfrick.
What really needs to happen is the state needs to make it a lot easier to fire ineffective teachers. My wife teaches teachers and is accountable for their performance. She tells me every day about how so many teachers just don’t give a shite about following standards and cut corners every day but it’s so hard to fire them so the schools are stuck with them until they essentially get fed up with corrective action enough to finally just quit. THAT’S the problem. We make it very difficult to fire a teacher in this state.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 7:34 pm to dgnx6
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It’s the parents.
This, it's a cycle of illiteracy. Most of them are fiercely proud of their ignorance too.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 7:48 pm to whoa
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I can read to my kid (& have since birth) all night but no way in hell I'd ever be able to teach her how to read.
My brother and I read way beyond our grade levels because we were read to almost every night pretty much until we were in middle school. We were easily college-level readers before the 9th grade. Exposure is everything; hearing, seeing, repeating the words they don't understand and you telling them the definitions will have dramatic impact on their vocabulary for life.
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