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Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:19 am to Korkstand
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Is this supposed to counter my comment?
My bad. I didn't realize when you called me short-sighted, you meant from an investor standpoint.
If there was a genuine need for this, then the people who are demanding tax-payer funds would pool their resources and make bank. Strangely, that hasn't happened and here we are. Solyndra was only like 10 years ago.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:19 am to Korkstand
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Why do you think charging is, or will be, free?
He wants to build a straw man to debate, but he's lazy and wants you to build it for him.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:19 am to tigergirl10
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Sorry, not interested in purchasing a $10,000 battery every 5 years.
Good thing they all come with 8-10 year battery warranties, walt.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:20 am to dewster
Interesting read on various EVs trying to 1000 miles...
Car and Driver
Car and Driver
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:21 am to squid_hunt
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If there was a genuine need for this, then the people who are demanding tax-payer funds
Are you talking about the charging stations in the OP?
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:22 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Are you talking about the charging stations in the OP?
The entire electric car industry is about government subsidy. Wouldn't exist otherwise.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:23 am to squid_hunt
quote:Who is demanding taxpayer funds? The funds in question here came from a settlement with Volkswagen.
If there was a genuine need for this, then the people who are demanding tax-payer funds would pool their resources and make bank.
quote:Strangely, you haven't noticed it happening. There is plenty of private investment in EVs and charging tech. What rock do you live under?
Strangely, that hasn't happened and here we are.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:25 am to member12
Who pays the electric bill?
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:25 am to squid_hunt
quote:What do you think would be the state of agriculture if not for subsidies? How about O&G?
The entire electric car industry is about government subsidy. Wouldn't exist otherwise.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:27 am to Korkstand
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The funds in question here came from a settlement with Volkswagen.
Out of the goodness of their heart, no doubt.
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The money comes from a settlement worth nearly $3 billion between the U.S. Justice Department and Volkswagen over violations of the Clean Air Act,
Oh, nope. Is your position that Volkswagen doesn't pay taxes? Or that they don't pass those costs on to the consumers?
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There is plenty of private investment in EVs and charging tech.
Yep. Propped up by government subsidy and incentive.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:29 am to Korkstand
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What do you think would be the state of agriculture if not for subsidies?
I think they wouldn't be mega-corporations which are inevitably going to fail at taxpayer expense. When government starts propping up companies, they are pretty much obligated to continue. Again, the banking crisis was like 10 years ago.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:30 am to doubleb
quote:In most cases the end users will likely pay charging fees which will more than cover the cost of the power. Should universities offer "free" charging to students/faculty, those costs will likely be recouped via tuition. Some businesses choose to offer free charging to employees as part of their compensation package. And in the case of charging for public transport (electric buses/shuttles/etc), operational costs will be reduced saving taxpayer dollars.
Who pays the electric bill?
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:30 am to Korkstand
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What do you think would be the state of agriculture if not for subsidies?
Small farms would be the norm over corporate farms, like it used to be.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:37 am to member12
Was in the way to hunting camp last year in Mississippi. Pulled over about 30 min before off 55 and in a parking lot of office depot, burger King and some alcohol joint were about 20 charging stations... Who did the research to think that in that area there are enough electric vehicles that need charging.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:46 am to squid_hunt
quote:Clearly said "settlement". Usually not much goodness of heart in those.
Out of the goodness of their heart, no doubt.
quote:Of course ultimately every government dollar comes from consumers. Are you still trying to argue that there's no private investment in EVs, or are you just deflecting to a broader topic?
Oh, nope. Is your position that Volkswagen doesn't pay taxes? Or that they don't pass those costs on to the consumers?
quote:That's kind of the point of government spending. Spending on transportation infrastructure props up all industries and businesses. Military spending affords all businesses the opportunity to operate. And on and on. No, not all dollars are spent wisely, but you're going to need a good argument against this.
Yep. Propped up by government subsidy and incentive.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I would love for that to happen. However it is doubtful that would be the case with or without subsidies. Economies of scale apply.
Small farms would be the norm over corporate farms, like it used to be.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:50 am to tigergirl10
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Sorry, not interested in purchasing a $10,000 battery every 5 years.
Walt, I am not 100% sure, but I would imagine more and more people buy SV the price will go down. Sort of like when a new type of TV comes out and it cost a lot at first, but as the demand increases and they are able to produce more, the price goes down.
Also, I think they are making progress with batteries for EVs.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 9:57 am to Korkstand
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In most cases the end users will likely pay charging fees which will more than cover the cost of the power. Should universities offer "free" charging to students/faculty, those costs will likely be recouped via tuition. Some businesses choose to offer free charging to employees as part of their compensation package. And in the case of charging for public transport (electric buses/shuttles/etc), operational costs will be reduced saving taxpayer dollars.
I was wondering if the charging stations would be like those vacuum pumps or air compressors at gas stations. You’d put in your credit card to pay. I guess they aren’t.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 10:00 am to Korkstand
Private businesses offering free charging is fine, govt and universities should not. Not sure how you equate it to the cost of gas, but someone needs to come up with that if we are going to try to tax all citzens accordingly based upon their vehicle choices.
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