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Louisiana during the Wild West days?

Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:26 pm
Posted by FAT SEXY
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:26 pm
Usually when people discuss the Wild West they talk about the Great Plains Region and the Southwest

Were there any notorious outlaws that primarily operated in Louisiana during that time? Any notable Gun Battles?

TIA to the TD Historians
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:28 pm to
gallatin street
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Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:29 pm to
Sandbar Fight

The Sandbar Fight followed conflicts that had occurred in central Louisiana. Members of the wealthy and established Wells and Cuny families, who were close relatives, were engaged in continuous feuds with many of the region's newer families. The subjects of the disputes included competing financial interests, allegations of vote-fixing in a sheriff's election, dishonored notes (bad loans), denied bank loans, and, as rumored, the honor of a woman. Several participants in the brawl had previously engaged in duels, fist fights, and exchanges of gunfire. Two previous attempts at resolving disputes by dueling had ended without resolution, either because they degenerated into shouting matches between seconds or one party failed to appear.

The duel that became the Sandbar Fight was initially arranged over grievances between Samuel L. Wells, III, and Dr. Thomas H. Maddox, both of Alexandria, Louisiana. They agreed to a duel at a neutral site, eventually choosing a wide, sandy shoal in the middle of the Mississippi River because it was considered outside the jurisdiction of local law enforcement, thus less likely to be subject to anti-dueling laws.[4] Wells and Maddox, the primary duelists, were attended by seconds and several friends and supporters. Norris Wright, in particular, was known to be violent. In a previous encounter, Wright shot Bowie; the intervention of observers prevented Bowie from then killing Wright. Afterwards, Bowie carried a sheath knife in preparation for a rematch in the Sandbar Fight.[5]

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Posted by stout
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:30 pm to
Not long before the Wild West time, part of western LA was called no man's land.


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"No Man’s Land," also known as the Neutral Strip, was a slice of western Louisiana that became one of the most violent and lawless places in early America.For nearly 15 years, it belonged to no country and had absolutely no laws, turning it into a perfect haven for pirates, bandits, and runaway slaves.

The Borders of the StripThe region was a narrow, vertical strip of land located in western Louisiana.The West Border: The Sabine River (the current Texas-Louisiana border).The East Border: The Calcasieu River and the Arroyo Hondo (a small bayou near Natchitoches).

The Territory: It stretched from the Gulf of Mexico all the way north to the Sabine River's upper bends.

Why It Happened (The History)In 1803, the United States bought Louisiana from France. However, Spain still owned Texas. Neither country could agree on the exact border between Louisiana and Texas.To prevent a full-scale war, an American general and a Spanish governor signed a temporary agreement in 1806. They declared the disputed land a neutral zone. Under this deal, neither the U.S. military nor the Spanish military was allowed to enter the area or enforce any laws there.

Life in the Neutral Strip. Because there were no police, courts, or soldiers, the area quickly filled with people fleeing the law. It became a wild, untamed frontier.

Outlaw Safe Haven: Highwaymen, murderers, and counterfeiters set up camps in the dense pine forests. They would rob travelers passing through and then vanish into the woods.

The Adams-Onís Treaty: The lawlessness finally ended in 1821 when Spain officially gave Florida to the U.S. and fixed the Texas border at the Sabine River. The U.S. military finally marched in to clear out the bandit camps.

A Unique Culture: Because the area was isolated for so long, it developed a deeply unique mix of cultures. Today, the descendants of the original settlers—including Spanish, French, Anglo, Choctaw, and Biloxi-Chitimacha people—still celebrate this distinct heritage.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

No Man's Land" (also known as the Neutral Strip or Sabine Free State) was a lawless, 40-mile-wide buffer zone between Spanish Texas and the newly acquired U.S. Louisiana Territory. Created in 1806, neither nation governed it, allowing outlaws and smugglers to thrive until the Adams-Onís Treaty of 1819 made the Sabine River the official border.


Posted by MobileJosh
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:32 pm to
Natchez MS claims the Sandbar fight, not LA.
Posted by The Torch
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:33 pm to
My folks were from the country in North Central Louisiana, I remember my great father telling us that Jesse James or some of his gang held up in the area.

There was a Doctor they used.




Of course he could have been full of crap
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Posted by Shexter
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Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:33 pm to
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Sandbar Fight


I thought you were talking about the sandbar down in Plaquemines parish. Up until the 70's, black folk caught after dark were put on that sandbar until the sun came up.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:34 pm to


Posted by JOJO Hammer
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:36 pm to
The Dardars and Fenches are still fighting in Point Aux Chene to this day.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:36 pm to
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The Ouachita Telegraph (Monroe, LA)
September 13, 1866
Page 2, Column 4
We learn from a letter from Hon. E.E. Kidd, of Jackson parish, published in the North Louisianian, that recently a dead body was found in Winn parish which answers pretty well to the description of Lieut. Butts, who, it has been alleged, was killed in Jackson parish. Lieut. Butts had gone to Natchitoches, it seems, aided with money and means by some of the best citizens of Jackson; and upon his return through a country notoriously infested with Confederate deserters who espoused the strong side when they saw the Confederacy waning, he is supposed to have been foully murdered for his horse, a very fine one, and his money. Not only Jackson and Winn parishes disown such characters, but every community abhors them, and has reason to dread them as they prey upon all alike. Our people do not travel through these infested districts alone; but Lieut. Butts presuming too far on the protection which he thought his uniform would afford, has doubtless pain the penalty of his recklessness with the forfeiture of his life. He is represented to have been a good officer and had the people's confidence, which in these corrupt times renders his loss a greater affliction to the people he served than to those who will moan loudest over his fate.

Four years later, the Nightriders were wiped out and another article cleared up the mystery:

The Ouachita Telegraph (Monroe, LA)
Saturday, May 28, 1870
Page 2, Column 1
[Excerpt from article headlined, Mystery and Retribution in Winn Parish]
Among these victims, it now turns out, was a Lieutenant Butts of the Federal army, whose unaccountable disappearance in 1866, while en route from Natchitoches to Vernon where he was detailed as a Bureau agent, excited at the time the virtuous indignation of the people of Jackson parish, and was the cause of calumny in Northern prints upon the reputation of that people, the New York Tribune taking the lead in the work of denunciation. Mrs. West and a man named Dean, one of West's accomplices, now clear up the mystery of the Lieutenant's death. He was killed by West not far from the Saline Mills in Winn parish. Information had been conveyed to West that the Lieutenant had drawn $2,700 at Natchitoches, and this sum West desired to obtain and did obtain from the Lieutenant's person after his murder. West, Dean and another man [NOTE: rumor, legend and family stories have said that Laws and Bill Kimbrel may have been involved.] overtook Butts on the road, and to allay suspicion told him they were hunting cattle. Riding on, they came to a point near where there is a fine spring. Butts was induced to turn off to the spring to get some water. — While drinking from the spring, West deliberately shot the unsuspecting man through the head. His bones were some time after discovered, but until now the manner of his death was a profound mystery.




The spring where he was murdered is still known as Yankee Springs. There's a cemetery and Baptist Church there.
Posted by tonydtigr
Beautiful Downtown Glenn Springs,Tx
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:36 pm to
El Camino Real had some highwaymen operating along it. LINK
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:37 pm to
My family in South Carolina was involved in a feud that started in the 1920's that resulted in the 5 deaths and 3 executions that happened in the early 1940s. There's a book about it called "The Guns of Meeting Street". My grandfather lived on that road and it's where my mom grew up.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:38 pm to


Couley Cemetery, Winn Parish
Posted by TigahTeeth
Georgia
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:38 pm to
Couyon the kid was a bad dude with a 20gauge!
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105620 posts
Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

The Ouachita Telegraph
Saturday, May 28, 1870
Page 2, Column 1

Mystery and Retribution in Winn Parish.
The recent lynching of a number of desperadoes, murderers and robbers —
nine in all — in the southeastern portion of Winn parish has led to the
disclosure of a number of bloody deeds which hitherto were enveloped in a
mystery that defied the sharpest and closest scrutiny of the law. These
men, headed by a man named West, have been operating as highwaymen with
unvarying success ever since the close of the war, and perhaps before its
close, and have sent unheralded and unprepared into eternity the soul of
many an innocent victim, stimulated thereto solely by an ungodly greed for
gain.
Among these victims, it now turns out, was a Lieutenant Butts of the
Federal army, whose unaccountable disappearance in 1866, while en route from
Natchitoches to Vernon where he was detailed as a Bureau agent, excited at
the time the virtuous indignation of the people of Jackson parish, and was
the cause of calumny in Northern prints upon the reputation of that people,
the New York Tribune taking the lead in the work of denunciation. Mrs. West
and a man named Dean, one of West's accomplices, now clear up the mystery of
the Lieutenant's death. He was killed by West not far from the Saline Mills
in Winn parish. Information had been conveyed to West that the Lieutenant
had drawn $2,700 at Natchitoches, and this sum West desired to obtain and
did obtain from the Lieutenant's person after his murder. West, Dean and
another man overtook Butts on the road, and to allay suspicion told him they
were hunting cattle. Riding on, they came to a point near where there is a
fine spring. Butts was induced to turn off to the spring to get some water.
— While drinking from the spring, West deliberately shot the unsuspecting
man through the head. His bones were some time after discovered, but until
now the manner of his death was a profound mystery.
Still another victim of these fiends was a Texan named Jones, who had been
to Alabama and was returning home. Going, he had shared the hospitality of
West, and returning, in compliance with a pressing invitation, he spent
another and his last night on earth with West. He had told West the object
of his journey east, (which ws to collect some money) and West set the
snares into which his confiding victim, weeks after, so unsuspectingly fell.
Mrs. Jones subsequently made diligent search for her husband, traveling
over the route he had traveled, but no ingenuity could trace him on his
return beyond West's house. The reason is now made plain.
It is also stated the same band murdered the families of two movers, said
to be from Franklin parish, not leaving of the two families, composed of
men, women and little children, a single soul living. It is thought West
died in the possession of $30,000, the accumulated earnings of fifteen years
of crime, and that the half of his dark deeds will never be told.
The good people of Winn have displayed a comprehension of the rights of
society and of the majesty of the law which puts to shame the rulers of our
State.
Posted by duckblind56
South of Ellick
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:45 pm to
Where I grew up in Rapides Parish, this area was referred to as "across the river" and the people of that area were called "redbones".

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The West Border: The Sabine River (the current Texas-Louisiana border).The East Border: The Calcasieu River


quote:

Because the area was isolated for so long, it developed a deeply unique mix of cultures. Today, the descendants of the original settlers—including Spanish, French, Anglo, Choctaw, and Biloxi-Chitimacha people—still celebrate this distinct heritage.
Posted by BregmansWheelbarrow
Member since Mar 2020
3360 posts
Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Not long before the Wild West time, part of western LA was called no man's land.


Biker gangs still call it No Mans Land. All the ones from here have it on their jackets or vests or whatever they call them
This post was edited on 7/6/26 at 1:53 pm
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
183679 posts
Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

and the people of that area were called "redbones".


Still some redbones here. Especially when you get in the piney woods close to the Sabine.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/6/26 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Sandbar Fight


I can neither confirm nor deny I had family members on both sides of that dispute.
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