re: Local bar has a strong sign game, atheist, vegan and crossfitter similarities

More, to be honest.

Vegetarians and cross fitters are worse than Atheists.

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"You are stupid for believing in God," is more offensive than, "You are going to a Hell that you don't believe exists in the first place."

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Is that maybe because you lead more towards the later? I find both of those to be complete tools to be honest with you.

Assuming both are assholes, which a-hole do you think occurs more? Atheists, even by the most generous estimates, make up maybe 7-10% of the general public...if you believe the polls that indicate belief at about 90%. I'd argue it's likely higher but people are afraid to to say they do not believe, but I'll take the plain ole stat for this. Given the sheer math of the thing, who do you think are out there in greater numbers...the obnoxious religious person or the obnoxious atheist?

Here's another point I'll bring up...how often do you even run into a known atheist? what percentage of your friends, family, co-workers do you KNOW are atheist? It's tiny, isn't it? what percentage of them are vocal about it...even to the point of casually talking about it without getting heated? How many are open douches about it? Ok...what about everyone else that compromises your religious friends? How often does church or faith come up? How many are passive versus how many are very vocal about it? Tweet about it, share links on Facebook about their faith constantly, etc?

For the person of faith, the overly vocal religious person can be some much more easily ignored...because even though they may be behaving like an arse at least the message is one you'd agree with. But their numbers are legion. I'd have no problem making the bet that I hear far more religious messages per day than you'd hear atheistic per month.

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I tend to think most people that fall into some sort of "group" tend to dislike those people that fall on the sides of being "activists" or overly vocal.

I realize it sounded like a joke when I said it, but if we did not live in a society completely dominated by faith and specifically Christianity I would never EVER have any reason to even think about my lack of belief in it. I mean...when was the last time any of you Christians felt the need to argue about or even contemplate your lack of belief in the Olympian gods? what if 75+ of the American public and nearly 100% of all elected officials worshiped Zeus? I'm thinking you'd have to address it a bit...

I've never ever walked into any room and declared my atheism. First...because it seems unnecessary to me at it's core. But the real reason is I never say a word about it until I'm almost forced into it. When I talk about it, even on this board, it's a return of serve. It never gets brought up first.

I think the thing that seems funniest to me is the idea that vocal atheists, as rare as they are based strictly on the math of it all, are somehow more often run into than vocal Christians or people of faith in general. The next time an atheist shows up at your door to convert you, it'll be the first...

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While I tend to not fully agree with a lot of what you may be presenting as somewhat of a possible truth to be understood from certain perspectives, I can't support this because of your obvious gluten biased.

Perhaps it's you who should take a step back, put down the po-boy, turn off Breaking Bad and consider things from a different angle.

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Is that maybe because you lead more towards the later?

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Meh, not really. I'm more agnostic than anything at this point in my life. Churches seem to be much more problematic than religion/spirituality.

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I find both of those to be complete tools to be honest with you.

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As do I.

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.how often do you even run into a known atheist? what percentage of your friends, family, co-workers do you KNOW are atheist? It's tiny, isn't it? what percentage of them are vocal about it...even to the point of casually talking about it without getting heated? How many are open douches about it?

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Several aunts, uncles and cousins are college professors or professional students who have never been in the private sector. I get a lot of all types of fringe thought thrown at me from them. I am probably an outlier there though. I get your point that there are more religious people than atheists though.

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though they may be behaving like an arse at least the message is one you'd agree with.

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The only place I agree with people who act like asses is on the OT.

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I didn't know atheists had the reputation of being very vocal.



really??? they might be the worst of the 3.

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Only on the internets, where their identities are unknown. I've never heard a vocal atheist in public.

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I think the thing that seems funniest to me is the idea that vocal atheists, as rare as they are based strictly on the math of it all, are somehow more often run into than vocal Christians or people of faith in general. The next time an atheist shows up at your door to convert you, it'll be the first...

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I see them all of the time. And yes, I have had atheists try to convert me by going door to door. Vocal atheists are terribly annoying people, almost as much as evangelical Baptists.

And Christians often tell atheists that they're "missing something in life" or something stupid like that.

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I don't think Atheists deserve to be thrown in that category.

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Why can't you Atheist believe in any thing?

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And I dont get the atheist part either. It's been my experience that atheists are only really vocal about it around other atheists.

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15000+ posts on TD

claims he's never heard of atheists showing their arse