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Livery Insurance Question

Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:44 pm
Posted by Catchfalaya
Member since Feb 2018
2064 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:44 pm
Trying to determine if I the employer am liable if employee gets in an accident delivering food from my restaurant? Would the employees personal auto insurance cover the accident or would the insurance company/employee sue me the employer because we forced them to make a delivery of goods?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86447 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:45 pm to
Call your insurance agent first thing Monday morning. This is their literal job.
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
82755 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:47 pm to
lol...this isn't information you obtained before instituting deliveries? This is a hell of a thing to leave to chance
Posted by Catchfalaya
Member since Feb 2018
2064 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:49 pm to
I’m actually with a franchise and they just threw on us two days ago to do delivery’s once a week for paid in advance donations from customers. Example you call in order to be delivered by us sometime this week to a healthcare office. They want us to send our employees to do the delivery’s.
Posted by DomincDecoco
RIP Ronnie fights Thoth’s loafers
Member since Oct 2018
12017 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 9:50 pm to
Short answer - most likely. Workers comp and recording any injuries that qualify on the osha log as well. There are some possible exclusions.

Long answer, call your agent asap.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 9:57 pm
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
7409 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:14 pm to
No.
You need “hired/non owned auto” endorsement to your business owner’s policy (bop).
Super simple endorsement, and extends your liability to any auto driving for your biz.
Carriers right now are offering that super cheap due to the economic bullshite.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48188 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:19 pm to
Not an insurance guy but from my experience, the employees insurance would be primary then your hired non owned would be secondary. Most insurance companies try and get you to require your employee to have extended limited like 100k instead of minimum to limit their exposure. In Louisiana though, scumbag lawyers will make sure they get a piece of both I am sure.
Posted by DomincDecoco
RIP Ronnie fights Thoth’s loafers
Member since Oct 2018
12017 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:23 pm to
quote:

In Louisiana though, scumbag lawyers will make sure they get a piece of both I am sure.

This=most likely
Posted by djangochained
Gardere
Member since Jul 2013
19185 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:42 pm to
Your arse should go if you are the owner

Show your face
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11935 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:59 pm to
And the endorsement on your BOP or get an employer non owned liability policy (ENOL).
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
7409 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:12 pm to
quote:

DCtiger1


You work/have an agency in PCB?

FL is nuts right now with home carriers.
I have been the only agency in my area (Gulf Shores) who proudly don’t write through Demotech companies, and not having Centauri is paying off.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
67020 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:16 pm to
A long time ago a pizza delivery driver hit me.
The driver didn't have car insurance, so I made the pizza place pay for the damages. The owner was pissed, but that's what my insurance company told me to do and he ended up paying.
It wasn't a whole lot. Maybe $2000.
Posted by Love me some Les
Member since Mar 2014
291 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:21 pm to
They were working for you, if they don’t have enough insurance, the third party will come after your insurance.

The drivers insurance might deny the claim because he was using his auto for a business purpose. Not unless he advised his carrier that he used the auto for business purpose!

Posted by sleepytime
Member since Feb 2014
3935 posts
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:28 pm to
Your work comp is going to cover your driver in most circumstances and you need hired/ non-owned auto. Keep in mind the company rate for a driver is significantly higher than a restaurant worker and you’ll need to keep track of payroll for driving time or any employee that does a delivery will have the entirety of their payroll limped in the driving code. Make sure your agent checks MVR’s on anyone that may drive too. You don’t want to send Bill out for a delivery and later find out he’s had 3 DUI’s and his license has been suspended for the last 2 years.
Posted by ShermanTxTiger
Broussard, La
Member since Oct 2007
11437 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:27 am to
You know the answer.. Call your agent bro.
Posted by Big Jim Slade
Member since Oct 2016
6367 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 1:56 am to
I think i saw that AllState (or one of the personal carriers) waived the “use of personal auto for business” exclusions to provide personal auto coverage to delivery drivers during the pandemic. Don’t bank on that though because my mind is mush these days.

Short answer...errrrbody and their insurers are getting sued. Check with your agent on the issue and make sure you’re covered no matter the scenario involving a delivery driver accident, and if it costs more to make sure they’re covered, buy it. Also ask the driver to check with his agent with the same question. You want to be covered every which way in the event of a an accident with catastrophic injuries.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 5:06 am to
Livery, livery, LIVERY.
Posted by jscrims
Lost
Member since May 2008
3836 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 5:38 am to
You need a new policy called Employers non-owned liability (ENOL). This would cover your liability if your driver/employee was in an accident. These coverages would provide liability protection for your business if your employee caused an accident and the person they hit was to sue you or your business.

You have a lot of responsibility here to know if you have a driver employees under you, you need to know their driving record, if they have insurance or not (and what limits), and make sure you have some rules in place written down and emphasized to the driver (with them signing they read and understand the rules).

I’ve seen businesses destroyed because of an employee who got into an accident or did something stupid. The ENOL policy is like $10-15/month so it is a good coverage to get for what it provides.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11935 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

You work/have an agency in PCB?


Yes I have an agency in PCB. It’s been crazy busy given the circumstances.
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