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re: Little League Dilemma: Was I in the Right or Wrong? UPDATE PG.15
Posted on 2/16/15 at 12:11 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Posted on 2/16/15 at 12:11 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
If true, there has to be more to it than this.
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 12:55 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Anyways, we ended up ten run ruling one of the better teams in the league
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stealing bases up by 10 runs, continuing to take pitches on 3-0 counts up by ten runs, and continuing to hit and run when up by ten runs.
Smells like
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complete B.S
How can you do things up by 10 runs when the mercy rule is 10?
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I was only a volunteer and didn’t have a child on the team.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 1:00 am to OFWHAP
Your base runners wouldn't last very long on dat infield girl
Posted on 2/16/15 at 1:08 am to OWLFAN86
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you didn't teach the kids how to win you taught them how to be bad sports
if I were the opposing coach I would have told my pitchers to throw at your players heads
Posted on 2/16/15 at 1:40 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
IMO there was nothing wrong with the hit and run and absolutely nothing wrong with taking on a 3-0 pitch. However, I wouldn't steal up 10+. It would be like having your team apply a full court press in the 4th up 20.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:09 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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As with most kids that age the catcher’s ability to throw out runners is questionable at best.
Which is why you do it only occasionally at that age. Definitely run drills like that at practice, but don't exploit a kid's weakness to run up the score.
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Anyways, we ended up ten run ruling one of the better teams in the league and all my players got a piece of the action.
So you could have won without 15 steal attempts.
It's Little League. Some kids are out there for their enjoyment, and others are out there to develop fundamentals. The goal should be to win, but do so without exploiting a common shortcoming of players that age.
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I think that is complete B.S. because I am teaching these kids how to win baseball games
They probably needed and deserved a well earned win, but you also taught them that there is no risk of stealing 2nd. That won't be reality in a year or two.
There's also an asterisk on their win thanks to your tactics.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:17 am to dewster
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There's also an asterisk on their win thanks to your tactics.
Assuming the OP actually happened, he's fricked in league play. Every single coach is going in dry on his admittedly inferior team.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 5:13 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
You were in the right! Participation tropies create pussies!
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 5:17 am
Posted on 2/16/15 at 6:16 am to Cockopotamus
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How can you do things up by 10 runs when the mercy rule is 10?
Mercy rules kick in usually after 3 innings. Plus OP's team could have been the visiting team, putting them batting in the top of the inning.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 6:47 am to Cuz413
Stealing bases up 10 is kind of rubbing it in...
If the count is 3-0, you take the pitch.
With that being said, I think there is a fine line of teaching kids how to win and how to lose like a "man" or a competitor.
At young ages, everything you do is amplified.
Frankly, I am tired of the pussification of America, so part of me says. " if feel like taking 2nd base up 10 runs, then just take it"... when the opposing team parents begin to curse you, you look over and say "We won 1 lousy game last year, you will not receive empathy from this coach, my boys never quit and are here to win games"
If the count is 3-0, you take the pitch.
With that being said, I think there is a fine line of teaching kids how to win and how to lose like a "man" or a competitor.
At young ages, everything you do is amplified.
Frankly, I am tired of the pussification of America, so part of me says. " if feel like taking 2nd base up 10 runs, then just take it"... when the opposing team parents begin to curse you, you look over and say "We won 1 lousy game last year, you will not receive empathy from this coach, my boys never quit and are here to win games"
Posted on 2/16/15 at 6:54 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
The catcher's dad was cursing you out, yet he let his son quit in the middle of the game? What a character builder for that young man.
Running up the score is shitty no matter how bad you've been in the past. But hit and runs are the best play in baseball and should be run every time there's a guy on first with no outs (at least in little league).
Running up the score is shitty no matter how bad you've been in the past. But hit and runs are the best play in baseball and should be run every time there's a guy on first with no outs (at least in little league).
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:36 am to ApexTiger
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Frankly, I am tired of the pussification of America
These are 9-12 year olds, not grown-up MLB players. If the pussification and weakness of America is bothering you, take it up with Obama, politicians, left-wing liberals who have aggressively attacked the traditions of America. The OP is likely lying, but no one runs up the score, not even professionals and respectable college coaches. Nothing good about it.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:51 am to Rhino5
imo the op missed a great opportunity to teach his kids how to respect the game and your opponent when you're winning by that much.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:53 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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catcher ended up quitting in the middle of the game. The kid’s father was cursing me out from the bleachers.
don't see how thats your fault.
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tealing bases up by 10 runs, continuing to take pitches on 3-0 counts up by ten runs, and continuing to hit and run when up by ten runs.
sooo what were you you teaching the kids at this point? up by 10 c'mon man.
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I am teaching these kids how to win baseball games. It doesn't matter what your opponent feels you need to put the gas pedal down and finish
teach that strategy if you can in high school or college, 9 and 12 year olds need to learn fundamentals
I vote you were in the wrong, not a bad person, just wrong in your thought process.
You are not the 1st to do this, in baton Rouge, at cypress mounds you see this often, its dis respectful and not good baseball (IMO)
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 7:59 am
Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:54 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Once the game started every time I got a runner on base I called in the steal and we were successful 15/15 times. The opposing coach was yelling at me from the other dugout the entire game calling my way of playing “cowardly.” They had to use 5 different pitchers throughout the 5 innings and the catcher ended up quitting in the middle of the game. The kid’s father was cursing me out from the bleachers.
I am picturing Engleberg from BNB. Posted on 2/16/15 at 7:54 am to KG6
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Running up the score is shitty no matter how bad you've been in the past. But hit and runs are the best play in baseball and should be run every time there's a guy on first with no outs (at least in little league).
So what are you supposed to do when you're up by 10 in the top of the 2nd, their pitcher can't throw strikes, and fielders can't make a play?
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:02 am to KG6
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Running up the score is shitty no matter how bad you've been in the past. But hit and runs are the best play in baseball and should be run every time there's a guy on first with no outs (at least in little league).
Another Captain Clueless.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:02 am to demtigers73
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You were in the right! Participation tropies create pussies!
This is such a tired trope. Maybe if all your kid does or cares about is team sports then you might have to worry about this (although I still doubt it). Hopefully your child is well rounded and is committing themselves to earn good grades, practicing good citizenship, learning a musical instrument, hunting, etc, etc...
But, despite all this, because they receive a small token of their involvement in a team activity they will all turn into pussies?
I'd say the fact that you refuse to credit children with the ability to determine, on their own, who the best players are is more of a contributing factor in their ability to be a badass or not. They know who is good and who isn't and getting a trophy isn't going to magically level the playing field.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:05 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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He is of the mentality it doesn’t matter as long as the kids are having fun. With that being said the team only won 1 game last season
Little League, honestly, isn't all about winning. It isn't all about fun, either. Little League is there to teach fundamentals, technique, and, yes, sportsmanship in young baseball players.
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This team is made up of a bunch of undersized 9-12 year olds that are required to play station to station baseball.
Ages range from 9, 10, 11, to 12 in the same league? I assume this either a really rural area or a totally fricked up league.
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Once the game started every time I got a runner on base I called in the steal and we were successful 15/15 times.
Yeah, once you get a comfortable lead you should probably stop rubbing the other team's nose in it. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you always SHOULD.
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While we are there I get a call from the league president saying I am banned from the league for embarrassing another team by stealing bases up by 10 runs, continuing to take pitches on 3-0 counts up by ten runs, and continuing to hit and run when up by ten runs.
A little harsh for them not issue a warning and go straight to banning you, but the league's mission likely mentions teaching sportsmanship and you definitely fricked that one up.
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I think that is complete B.S. because I am teaching these kids how to win baseball games. It doesn’t matter what your opponent feels you need to put the gas pedal down and finish.
When kids start playing on traveling teams they will learn about winning and, usually, winning at all costs. If the kids are improving fundamentally and enjoying themselves then, win or lose, you're coaching little league right. If you're winning every game by 10-ruling the other team, your team is not progressing, and your kids are miserable, then you're truly a failure as a little league coach.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 8:07 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
The world needs ditch diggers too.
You taught the losers on the other team a valuable lesson. Now when life inevitably steps on their throats maybe they'll pull themselves up by their bootstraps and self improve instead of asking mommy or daddy to fix it.
You were 100% right
You taught the losers on the other team a valuable lesson. Now when life inevitably steps on their throats maybe they'll pull themselves up by their bootstraps and self improve instead of asking mommy or daddy to fix it.
You were 100% right
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