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re: Liberty Safes is going the way of Bud Light on Twitter. Update: Liberty has responded
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:53 am to Tarps99
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:53 am to Tarps99
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But a dial does have its limitations and can be cracked just as easily as a back door code.
There is a machine that can try all the combinations in a matter of hours or days.
No lock is safe with a good locksmith and time.
Yes, but my combination will not be leaked through all LEO's and then leaked publicly for every POS thief.
I'm well aware of the cracking machines. I will take the extended delays to enter over a potential leak that would take seconds (the delays would be equivalent to physical forced entry).
As a side note, I am a trained and practiced locksmith and served as a physical security officer for the military, I was the guy they called every time a new command officer was replaced to change combinations as well as 'other' built in mechanism for deterrence. So I might actually have a clue about some of this.
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:54 am to upgrayedd
They have bud light for sale at normal prices at walmart now.
The main issue that makes bud light vulnerable to conservatives is that A) conservatives tend to be their customer base and B) there's lots of better alternatives.
I don't know how the demographics of Liberty Safe customers shakes out or how good their competitors are in both product and distribution.
The main issue that makes bud light vulnerable to conservatives is that A) conservatives tend to be their customer base and B) there's lots of better alternatives.
I don't know how the demographics of Liberty Safe customers shakes out or how good their competitors are in both product and distribution.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 7:56 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:58 am to boxcarbarney
Hope they go bankrupt. Let the thugs find their own way into the safe. But for the company to provide the code is wrong.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:09 am to BeepNode
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I don't know how the demographics of Liberty Safe customers shakes out or how good their competitors are in both product and distribution.
I would say that any Safe manufacturer that doesn't include a back door entry into said safe are superior at this point.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:11 am to boxcarbarney
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Liberty's competitors are starting the feeding frenzy
They should. Liberty volunteered this to the FBI.
At least Apple didn't break their encryption. The Feds had to get into those phones themselves.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:13 am to BeepNode
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don't know how the demographics of Liberty Safe customers shakes out
I don’t know either but I think most sage owners are rightfully upset that the back door code to their safe was given to an entity that asked for it with no legal authority for it to be given, and then Liberty published that this is corporate, company policy.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:28 am to BeepNode
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I don't know how the demographics of Liberty Safe customers shakes out or how good their competitors are in both product and distribution.
Liberty made high quality products, very well built, great service, they have teams available to move the larger units for you if you relocate etc, but a key selling point was the lifetime warranty (the latter is why I bought a rather large one from them 10 years ago).
They are higher priced than much of the competition, but I think the physical build quality was worth it.....that being said, with a master code for the electronic locks potentially in the wild....................
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:35 am to eatpie
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eatpie
So, in light of Liberty's mea culpa, do you still stand by this:
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It is highly unlikely (though certainly possible) Liberty provided the access without a court order. You are making a supposition that this company would act against its best interests.
Or will you continue to be an insufferable dickhead?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:50 am to BeepNode
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Not a fan of reality, eh?
not a fan of American mega-corporations promoting men larping as women. You, in reality, appear to tho…
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:06 am to boxcarbarney
So they choose to inject themselves into the Jan 6th fake insurrection bullshite?? 
Another company who is clueless regarding their customer base. They'll learn soon.
Another company who is clueless regarding their customer base. They'll learn soon.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:27 am to oleheat
those of you reading the OP then jumping straight to the end of the thread should go take a look at their follow-up response that was posted on page 8. they made a pretty large course correction that i think warrants some grace from the hardliners here (of which i tend to be myself). they pretty much completely changed their policy about cooperating with law enforcement unless there is an actual warrant out for them specifically to give up a code. further, it is now an option to have the "backdoor" access code completely destroyed upon purchase, at the discretion of the customer, which eliminates even the possibility of an LEO forcing them to give up a code.
this is a great example of a grassroots online movement invoking positive change, and I think some of you should maybe reconsider your absolute "frick them, they are dead to me no matter what" position (although it's understandable).
this is a great example of a grassroots online movement invoking positive change, and I think some of you should maybe reconsider your absolute "frick them, they are dead to me no matter what" position (although it's understandable).
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:30 am to Sam Quint
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they pretty much completely changed their policy about cooperating with law enforcement
No one expects a business to not comply with the feds if they feel like they're breaking the law by not doing so.
Also, NO ONE who buys a fricking safe expects the store owner to have and maintain backdoor access to that safe after the transaction is complete.
They're focused on the wrong issue.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 9:33 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:30 am to SloaneRanger
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SloaneRanger
Meh, the Feds are getting in that safe with or without cooperation from Liberty.
So, why didn't they?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:35 am to TheSadvocate
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Also, NO ONE who buys a fricking safe expects the store owner to have and maintain backdoor access to that safe after the transaction is complete.
so you can say with full certainty that the backdoor access was kept completely secret from all customers? i honestly dont know the answer to this.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:40 am to BeepNode
quote:Considering that liberals tend to be anti-gun and that gun safes make up 80% of the products for sale on Liberty's website, I'd think that its safe to assume their customer base skews to the right.
The main issue that makes bud light vulnerable to conservatives is that A) conservatives tend to be their customer base and B) there's lots of better alternatives.
I don't know how the demographics of Liberty Safe customers shakes out or how good their competitors are in both product and distribution.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:47 am to Sam Quint
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so you can say with full certainty that the backdoor access was kept completely secret from all customers? i honestly dont know the answer to this.
We know of at least 1. How many do we need before you realize how shitty that is?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:48 am to dakarx
quote:I doubt its one master code for every safe Liberty built. That'd have been too big of a risk if that one code ever got leaked, it would have rendered every Liberty safe worthless.
That master code will be leaked at some point....time to replace the Sargent & Greenleaf electronic lock on my big Liberty safe, going back to a dial type. Unlike even aftermarket replacements I know there are no backdoor codes in a dail.
More than likely, each individual safe has its own unique factory backdoor code that Liberty would need the safe's serial number to match the safe to the backdoor code.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:53 am to boxcarbarney
They're still going to take a sizeable hit over all this, but that's about as good of a corporate response as they could've made. And they were quick about responding.
Better than pandering with some commercials of cowbaws drinking beer.
Better than pandering with some commercials of cowbaws drinking beer.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:53 am to TheSadvocate
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We know of at least 1. How many do we need before you realize how shitty that is?
who is the one we know of?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:02 am to lsusteve1
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So, why didn't they?
Path of least resistance. If liberty said to F Off, then they either get a court order to make them give the code or they drill into it to crack it open. Either way, they were getting in that safe.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 10:04 am
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