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re: Lets talk about Amway
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:09 am to OweO
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:09 am to OweO
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Yeah, I am pretty sure I was in middle school and this would have been exactly during that time
School age kids say 7th-12th grade was a huge side niche market for Amway ostensibly done through the parent. They knew if they could hook a popular kid like the head jock, then he would take 20 of his friends to the seminar. Now that I think back, there might not have even been a minimum age or maybe it was like 12 or something.
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:12 am to OweO
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They would talk about how people who lived in poverty could climb their way out with Amway and they would go to conventions.
When I was a kid and my parents were in Amway we drove from DFW to Houston about 3-4 times a year to visit family. And at the height of my parents Amway involvement we'd listen to nothing but the cassette tapes on the way there and the way back the whole 5 hours.
Every single motivational speech given on these tapes were the exact same thing.
"I was working a j-o-b (stands for JUST OVER BROKE!!) in the rat race and having to work for a BOSS! It was HORRIBLE! Then my trusted friend showed me the plan and I decided to give this business a shot. I went to my first function and I was sitting way back there, where you are... I didn't even have to put in much time, about 15 hours a week, and all of a sudden I became diamond because Amway is such a great business that it practically sells itself, and was able to quit my job and become my own boss and my Amway business made me a multi millionaire and now I own 8 houses, 16 cars, 4 boats, and a private island in the Carribean. So we have all that stuff... what can we possibly do next? Let's buy a country! If I can do it, so can you."
It makes me ill my parents paid good money to buy tapes and go to functions just to hear that same shite over and over. And its funny how Amway says you only need to work 10-15 hours a week on your business, and on the flipside says your success is only going to be as much as the work you put in. So its easy, or its hard work, which is it?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:13 am to greenwave
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I'm assuming back then people just didn't have the knowledge of pyramid schemes like they do now.
I learned about pyramid schemes in high school in the 80's. They were known about, but likely people just thought they were too smart to fall for one.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:13 am to BottomlandBrew
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For the few years my parents were involved, they'd hand my sister and I the catalogues and ask us what we wanted for Christmas. If it wasn't in one of those catalogues, we weren't getting it.
Oh man, it was like cheap chinese crap that you'd get at Chuck E. Cheese for winning a high number of tickets.
But we could only get items out of that catalog so my parents could hit their PVI goal for the month!
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:16 am to The Spleen
I gotcha. I'm a little too old to remember Amway. Just surprised at how popular Pyramids still are.
Like all these new _______ Nutrition drink places that are just a store front for Herbalife. But again, always the same types that are going to them.
Like all these new _______ Nutrition drink places that are just a store front for Herbalife. But again, always the same types that are going to them.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:18 am to OweO
My wife and I tried it a couple of times.We didn’t lose much money,maybe less than $1000.00 between the 2 times.We didn’t go to all the seminars but a couple of times and wouldn’t buy all the motivational material.
I thought the products were pretty good and they were reasonably priced after you get several layers of people under you and get points back.
The first time was a pia,I would get orders from our people,I’d order it and then have to go around delivering all their stuff every week.
2’nd time was easier because there was a deal with FedEx,I think,to deliver the products.
The couple that signed us up were very successful,they had a mini-warehouse full of products but they worked their butts off delivering products and went to a Amway function several nights a week and many weekends.I saw through all the talk about being retired with fabulous income.
Their business plan is unsustainable,I did the math.If everyone signed up all the people they needed to be successful,everyone in the U.S. would be a member within about 30 days.So,the people that got in late in the game would have no one to sign up.
I thought the products were pretty good and they were reasonably priced after you get several layers of people under you and get points back.
The first time was a pia,I would get orders from our people,I’d order it and then have to go around delivering all their stuff every week.
2’nd time was easier because there was a deal with FedEx,I think,to deliver the products.
The couple that signed us up were very successful,they had a mini-warehouse full of products but they worked their butts off delivering products and went to a Amway function several nights a week and many weekends.I saw through all the talk about being retired with fabulous income.
Their business plan is unsustainable,I did the math.If everyone signed up all the people they needed to be successful,everyone in the U.S. would be a member within about 30 days.So,the people that got in late in the game would have no one to sign up.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:19 am to greenwave
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Just surprised at how popular Pyramids still are.
It's because they lie about how much you truly have to do to actually make a significant amount of money. They mislead people by saying you only need to recruit a handful of people and you are on your way. Wrong.
Ugh. I still remember my dad inviting over the parents of my friends in elementary school or parents of my baseball/basketball teammates over to our house to "show the plan". It makes me cringe because I am not sure if my dad was ever successful at getting them to sign on.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:37 am to goldennugget
I remember my parents throwing a party when they went "direct," which was something like having six silvers below you, or some stupid shite like that. Basically, the more shite people bought below you, the higher your rank. It was just a whole scheme to get people to float inventory for you, and the person at the bottom was left holding the bag.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:07 am to OWLFAN86
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Lets talk about Amway
I'll see you LIMU
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:22 am to FCP
Egypt built the last good pyramid
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:22 am to BottomlandBrew
Have you read Merchant's of Deception? It's a tell all book about Amway written by a former emerald. It's a free book you can find it online. Highly recommend reading it
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:38 am to goldennugget
I was just out of law school at my first job working for a big firm in Lafayette in the early 90s. One of the secretaries asks if her husband could contact me about a new business venture. At first I thought he needed legal work, so I said "Sure, have him call me".
This is pre cell phone so he calls me at home one evening and goes into the full pitch about a great business opportunity for me, not having to work full time (which was pretty screwed up because on one level they were essentially working against the firm's interest). I immediately smelled BS and kept trying to politely say that I wasn't interested. I guess I was young and didn't want to cause any rift with another employee so I would listen but would always end with "I don't think so" or something like along those lines.
Eventually he realized that I wasn't biting after more than one call and declined invitations to seminars - then the strategy completely pivoted to "Well, I'm not sure that you would qualify anyway". It was like their playbook was to appeal to your desire for wealth, but then as a final Hail Mary they shifted to trying to piss you off or hit your ego so that you would get involved just to "show them".
The secretary eventually got run off, probably for bringing that crap to the office. They had young kids so I hope that they figured things out before they dug too deep of a hole. After that I wouldn't even let someone get through the initial pitch before I said NO.
Then later the approach shifting to some stranger at a gas pump or convenience store saying "Hey don't I know you from New Iberia?" or some BS to break the ice...
This is pre cell phone so he calls me at home one evening and goes into the full pitch about a great business opportunity for me, not having to work full time (which was pretty screwed up because on one level they were essentially working against the firm's interest). I immediately smelled BS and kept trying to politely say that I wasn't interested. I guess I was young and didn't want to cause any rift with another employee so I would listen but would always end with "I don't think so" or something like along those lines.
Eventually he realized that I wasn't biting after more than one call and declined invitations to seminars - then the strategy completely pivoted to "Well, I'm not sure that you would qualify anyway". It was like their playbook was to appeal to your desire for wealth, but then as a final Hail Mary they shifted to trying to piss you off or hit your ego so that you would get involved just to "show them".
The secretary eventually got run off, probably for bringing that crap to the office. They had young kids so I hope that they figured things out before they dug too deep of a hole. After that I wouldn't even let someone get through the initial pitch before I said NO.
Then later the approach shifting to some stranger at a gas pump or convenience store saying "Hey don't I know you from New Iberia?" or some BS to break the ice...
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:42 am to goldennugget
Just downloaded it and will read it. Thanks.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:48 am to goldennugget
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The snack brand was called "Critic's Choice".
Never knew that. I remember my Dad bringing home a few packs of those from his office. Apparently someone there was selling. I remember them being pretty crappy.
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Glister was the mouthwash and toothpaste brand
Artistry = Makeup
Satinique = Shampoo and Body Wash
Nutralife = Vitamins
Dish Drops = Dishwashing Liquid
Did Amway have some kind of deal selling long distance plans in the early 90's? I remember 4 different unrelated and unassociated guys I knew back then who tried to get me to join their "long distance business".
Posted on 7/21/21 at 5:09 am to Boudreaux35
A nice, older couple at our church were big into it. My parents would buy LOC soap from them to be nice. I recall they came over once and gave a fairly light pitch to get involved, but my parents are very quick to sniff out bullshite and tight with a buck, so it went nowhere.
I recall them saying how wonderful the leader's speeches were and that I (about 12) could really benefit from hearing his patriotic message. Even as a kid, I knew it was bullshite because who would buy all that product when they could just go to Piggly Wiggly and get better shite for less money and with less hassle? And, if you could sell it, who would to drive around all the time delivering soap and vitamins for a few cents of profit at each stop?
The service manager at the dealership where I got my first car was super nice. He even gave me a repair for free that was outside the warranty. Soon after, he asked to listen to a cassette about a business opportunity. I asked what it was (was it Amway?), but he would never say, just that it was a great opportunity. I listened to the tape because I appreciate a good con game. It was full of talk about independence and getting rich, but it NEVER said what the hell the business was.
The guy called me later, and I said I was not interested. He asked me to return the tape, and I gladly paid for postage to avoid seeing him. Next time I went to the dealer, he was gone. Either he got rich on the plan or, more likely, they ran his arse off for hassling customers and giving away free repairs to butter them up.
I recall them saying how wonderful the leader's speeches were and that I (about 12) could really benefit from hearing his patriotic message. Even as a kid, I knew it was bullshite because who would buy all that product when they could just go to Piggly Wiggly and get better shite for less money and with less hassle? And, if you could sell it, who would to drive around all the time delivering soap and vitamins for a few cents of profit at each stop?
The service manager at the dealership where I got my first car was super nice. He even gave me a repair for free that was outside the warranty. Soon after, he asked to listen to a cassette about a business opportunity. I asked what it was (was it Amway?), but he would never say, just that it was a great opportunity. I listened to the tape because I appreciate a good con game. It was full of talk about independence and getting rich, but it NEVER said what the hell the business was.
The guy called me later, and I said I was not interested. He asked me to return the tape, and I gladly paid for postage to avoid seeing him. Next time I went to the dealer, he was gone. Either he got rich on the plan or, more likely, they ran his arse off for hassling customers and giving away free repairs to butter them up.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:14 am to Twenty 49
Wasn’t Woody Jenkins a big anyway guy? Goes the then combo spoken about doing this inside of a religion.
I can always remember the prices you got from people which would talk about their own business, but NEVER mention the name Amway.
I can always remember the prices you got from people which would talk about their own business, but NEVER mention the name Amway.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:29 am to goldennugget
LINK
Link to Merchants of Deception
Great book about Amway and MLM in general.
Many MLM use Anway’s techniques to rip off the people who join.
Link to Merchants of Deception
Great book about Amway and MLM in general.
Many MLM use Anway’s techniques to rip off the people who join.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:48 am to YNWA
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From everyone's description of Amway, it sounds very much like the MAGA cult. Easily brainwashed. Conventions etc etc. I guarantee the same people that were, and still are, in Amway are in the MAGA cult
Nah Homie, that's just politics in general. Doesn't matter if you are right, left or center.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:57 am to OWLFAN86
Sounds like Amway sucked more money from dumbasses than travel ball does
Posted on 7/21/21 at 8:07 am to goldennugget
I started reading it last night. Thanks. 
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