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re: Let’s discuss MACV-SOG & LRRP

Posted on 4/16/26 at 9:53 pm to
Posted by CR4090
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 9:53 pm to
Today I learned what a CAG was.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 10:03 pm to
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At one point they were amalgamated into Ranger companies and the 75th Ranger Regiment considers them part of its lineage.
Until recently the Army still operated LRS companies at the corp level that also descended from that line.
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 10:36 pm to
There a bunch of books written by some of those guys. Best reads I’ve ever had. Bad asses doesn’t even come close.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:14 am to
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That title belongs to the guys in CAG


Many of the early members of Delta were SOG veterans, including founder Charlie Beckwith. I think you'll find most current special operators to be in awe of the SOG troopers.
Posted by GasMan
north Mississippi
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/17/26 at 12:34 am to
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There a bunch of books written by some of those guys. Best reads I’ve ever had. Bad asses doesn’t even come close.


Can you recommend some specific titles?
Posted by TideHater
Orange Beach AL
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/17/26 at 4:44 am to
My shooting buddy served as a LRRP. He and I have the same outlooks and humor. I served in SOCOM as a K9 handler during Reagans initial war on drugs. Both of us served in Asia, South America and Africa during the same time period.
He is one of the meanest people I have ever come across.....lol He does not put up with any BS from people. His stories are better than mine.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/17/26 at 6:15 am to
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I think you'll find most current special operators to be in awe of the SOG troopers.


I think they have absolute respect for SOG, they were doing a lot with little to nothing, but I think SOG guys would be the ones in awe if they watched what Delta did in getting Maduro. Remember, Delta was born out of a capability we didn't have but badly needed. Building insurgency isn't counterterrorism, isn't hostage rescue and Delta does door kicking at a level that frankly makes everyone else look like amateurs.
This post was edited on 4/17/26 at 6:17 am
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 4/17/26 at 6:29 am to
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they were doing a lot with little to nothing


That’s putting it lightly.
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
2284 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 6:31 am to
Yes. I’ve read a few books on them and was hooked.
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
2284 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 6:33 am to
SOG, Over the Fence, blackjack 33 and I’ll try to think of a few others.

LINK
This one is great. Plaster had 1 or 2 more that were great as well.

This post was edited on 4/17/26 at 6:39 am
Posted by EnragedPlatypus
Member since Nov 2025
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Posted on 4/17/26 at 6:39 am to
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Specifically, are those dudes the baddest mfs the US military ever produced? Reading stories and listening to podcasts about them and I’m really astounded that any of em ever came back.


Read the book Six Silent Men by Reynel Martinez.
I was lucky enough to meet the author and a few guys from the book. One of them is from Cut Off, LA.

I'd agree those are some of the baddest dudes the military has ever produced.
This post was edited on 4/17/26 at 6:41 am
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/17/26 at 7:09 am to
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recommend some specific titles?


We Few - Nick Brackhausen

Probably my favorite book ever. Its not all rah rah we are army ninjas. Its more like a chapter of oh shite oh shite shoot and blow up everything shite pants run like hell barely escape. Next chapter is how to steal jeeps from the MPs and con your way into 3 days in Da Nang for prostitutes.

Eta: easily may favorite chapter in all of literature is in that book. Its about the SOG guys teaming up to try to steal a Nazi half track from some a-hole officer. It is fricking hilarious. Also makes frequent references to teaming up with the viet cong to fight the MPs. Its a fantastic book, and the only one Ive ever read about special forces operation that I dont think was embellished at all.
This post was edited on 4/17/26 at 7:13 am
Posted by HenryParsons
Member since Aug 2018
2073 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 7:10 am to
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That title belongs to the guys in CAG.


This was my thought also but like sports the older generations paved the way for those to come. They were both amazing but were in a different era.

Jordan/Lebron
Nicklaus/Tiger
Montana/Brady
Posted by AUTimbo
Member since Sep 2011
3309 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 8:14 am to
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I swear that soldiers, engineers, and tech guys jerk off to long acronyms


I can’t speak for engineers and tech guys but it’s a must for all us military.

Never did log a “combat jerk” but with the situation this current world is in may finally get my chance to cross it off my bucket list


Oh, and to the OP, yes, they are all bad MF’s
Posted by GasMan
north Mississippi
Member since Sep 2003
1524 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 9:36 am to
Thanks guys will check it out.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19524 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 9:50 am to
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They were both amazing but were in a different era.



Different era and different mission profiles, but all men cut from the same cloth. Past and present, if you listen to their stories there's always the common theme of men who are willing to endure the worst conditions and take the biggest risks to accomplish the mission, and do it all again the next day.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45871 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 9:52 am to
Grandfather was MACV-SOG. I've posted one of his beer can crests he made while on one of his tours here before.

He's actually in Robin Moore's book.
Posted by Toroballistic
Tallahassee
Member since Dec 2017
2249 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 10:14 am to
MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+

Haven't seen this one yet? Just saw it yesterday myself.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105201 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 2:04 pm to
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I think they have absolute respect for SOG, they were doing a lot with little to nothing, but I think SOG guys would be the ones in awe 


To put it another way: current US Marines are better trained, better conditioned, better equipped and far more lethal than their WWII counterparts. But they stand at attention in the (increasingly rare) instances they are in the presence of a WWII Marine.

No matter how good you are, you stand on the shoulders of those who went before you.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105201 posts
Posted on 4/17/26 at 3:04 pm to
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