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re: Lawyers of the OT, do y’all use AI?

Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:05 am to
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:05 am to
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Answering and propounding discovery


Thats what Sandy is for. And Sandy has 3 holes you can bang away on.

Take that technology.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84169 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 8:57 am to
But I’ve got to pay Sandy and train her to do it my way.

The sell on this stuff is you give it your templates and it learns them and gives it back to you how you want it with case-specific data.

We’ll see how it goes in practice.
This post was edited on 8/1/25 at 8:58 am
Posted by NOLATiger163
Insane State of NOLA
Member since Aug 2018
593 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 9:17 am to
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Which judge?

Judge Nancy Miller (Division I)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464040 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 9:20 am to
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As far as AI, I’ve dabbled with a few of them, but never for anything other than setting up forms (answers, discovery, etc) where I upload the pleadings just so I don’t have to fool with formatting or form objections myself.

Sometimes as a starting point for research to ID a statute or something, but they are all terrible for case law. 90% of the cases are fake or inaccurate.


The integration in GWS is probably something that could make me save a lot of time. I need to migrate my cloud to Google Drive and my forms to Docs.

Drive + Docs + Forms + Sheets + Gemini/Notebook LM can be fricking powerful and I can only imagine where it will be in a year or 2. I already pay for it all with GWS so it's more of a time/effort thing.

I basically have a home brew CRM/Intake outlined. Just need some help coding (And Google Appsheet is there but I'll probably use Fiver) to connect the form flow. I konw there are services like Zaiper I could use but they're starting to get prohibitively expensive.

I think with LM and Drive, a LPM based on IA could be made. I haven't thought too much about that. I don't need a real LPM.
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3985 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 9:21 am to
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do y’all use AI
Yes absolutely. My firm has an AI program developed specifically for lawyers. I use it as a research tool into state law that I’m not familiar with. It provides links and citations to the code so that it’s easily verifiable.

I do transactional law, so I don’t have to worry about case hallucination. The biggest benefit is that I can upload recorded diligence calls, have a transcript created, a summary provided, and a short list of suggested supplemental diligence requests.
Posted by NOLATiger163
Insane State of NOLA
Member since Aug 2018
593 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 9:24 am to
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I enjoyed her argument attacking defense counsel’s billing in connection with the motion. “Your honor, it should have only taken three minutes to put the citations into google, not 7.3 hours!”

Well it only takes three minutes--if it's a real case. Chasing ghost-cases and disproving fake citations might be just a tad more labor-intensive.
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I encourage her to take up the appeal as she suggested.

What, do you own the popcorn concession at the state Fifth Circuit? 'Cause I could see oral argument rapidly moving to ... a different orifice.

Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13262 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 9:27 am to
I've been playing around with Gemini some. My area of admin law has a ton of massive "practice manuals," practice advisories, and easily downloadable decisions. With Gemini you can close the resources it searches so it stays contained to what is uploaded. It has been mostly right in the fact pattern examples I give it spotting issues.

The case management system I am using has the paid ChatGPT integrated into it, which meets the confidentiality requirements for most (all?) states last I heard. Haven't tried to use it yet, but tossed the idea around of seeing if I can tailor consultation notes in a way that it gives me an accurate, coherent strategy note after intake.

That said, I couldn't remember a case name the other day and tried to use ChatGPT quickly to pull it up, and it gave me a completely wrong case, which thankfully cited the one I was looking for.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
59958 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 9:52 am to
“AI” is going to destroy the law profession
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:01 am to
That depends on the job.

I can see it decimating certain fields, especially ones seen as more elite like regulatory, M/A, transactional, etc.

Personal injury (vicariously via self-driving cars).

Title companies should be worried.

Anything dealing with more static-document and public records searching variables should be worried.

More client-focused and factual-dominant litigation fields should be fine. So say hello to your new divorce and criminal law overlords
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119316 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:03 am to
Poor areas (most places in the South) are decades away from self driving cars being the majority
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119316 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:03 am to
Even if that were true, think about who controls congress and state legislatures
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15332 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:06 am to
So far I've only ever used Copilot to check briefs for typos. It has caught some fairly minor errors - think "a" vs "an," missing end quote, that level. So useful but very marginally so.

I tried feeding in a case scheduling order and asking it to send me calendar entries and it couldn't. I consider that pretty basic, so if it can't handle the easy tasks I'm surely not going to let it try anything more complex.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:08 am to
Sure, but I'm talking big picture.

There will also be catastrophic injuries, sometimes with self-driving cars, but those will go to the actually good firm. The mill model, especially when trucking goes more self-driving is going to face issues.

None of these fields will be completely gone, but the elite will dominate due to their ability to exponentially expand their productivity. There will just be fewer firms in the areas.
Posted by Tortious
ATX
Member since Nov 2010
5636 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:10 am to
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Would probably be cheaper to hire a 3L to do basic research and has free access to WL and LN


This is the way
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15332 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:10 am to
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the most annoying aspect of AI in law for me so far: clients who think they’re lawyers because they gave AI some terrible prompts and got terrible results while staying at a Holiday Inn Express.


YES - for all the constant chatter about "AI in law" this is a very underdiscussed issue. I'm seeing more of this than anything else- clients who go to ChatGPT, esq. first, then come to you second. I should say potential clients because that's a big red flag.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:17 am to
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Maybe you’re more adept at using AI than me, but I’ve tried many, many times to use ai for these types of use cases and the answers it gives me are rarely correct upon further review. Wrong so often that I pretty much never trust the answer and it just feels like an extra step vs google from 10 years ago.



I evaluated LLMs for our firm and tried some litigation specific stuff, which is typically where I found issues. Most of the case summaries I saw and compared were fine. I never found any imaginary cases from whole cloth or anything.

The worst examples where were I was told a case said something specific but then when I checked, it was more or less on the subject but didn't say the specific thing. But for us, it's usually an associate going "summarize cases in North Carolina where fair competition was successfully used at summary judgment" and then seeing if those give you a head start vs. going to Lexis or pulling old briefs. Candidly I just don't see how these people are getting completely caught unless they're having AI write briefs or argument sections and not checking them at all.

But as stated, for me, the value is primarily just in small things - some client calls and wants to get a sense of how some tax treatment is going to play into a pending QoE report - I can often use AI to get back to them with a generic "I'm not a tax lawyer but here's what I think we'll hear when we connect with tax counsel." I think if you're broad based corporate or doing outside general counsel type stuff, it's very valuable (and you don't really need to rely on complete accuracy). It just saves you time running down interim answers/getting brushed up on stuff, etc.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15903 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:19 am to
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I basically have a home brew CRM/Intake outlined. Just need some help coding (And Google Appsheet is there but I'll probably use Fiver) to connect the form flow. I konw there are services like Zaiper I could use but they're starting to get prohibitively expensive.


This sentence reads like a tech company skit from SNL.
Posted by Houstiger
Houston
Member since Aug 2007
466 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:19 am to
You can input medical records and expert reports and it will prepare direct and cross examination questions. About 20% might be garbage, but a lot of the questions are very good.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464040 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:24 am to
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Candidly I just don't see how these people are getting completely caught unless they're having AI write briefs or argument sections and not checking them at all.

This is how

Lawyers are often dumb and extremely dumb when it comes to anything outside of their legal comfort zone.

I truly hope the aforementioned appeal happens b/c I'd love to read that. I would have paid money to see that hearing from yesterday posters keep talking about.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31366 posts
Posted on 8/1/25 at 10:25 am to
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This is the way

I used to use Lexis constantly, but I don’t have to litigate nearly as often as I used to. I had a conversation with Lexis when I came on to the non-profit I’m currently at (Westlaw doesn’t negotiate pricing anymore) to see if they could offer a “building out a brand new very small public facing legal division of a non profit who might need to do legal research a few times a month” rate. The answer was “absolutely!” And was like $200/month. I laughed at them
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