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re: Lawyers of OT, who is the best/worst Lawyer you've seen in Court?
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:21 pm to ChestRockwell
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:21 pm to ChestRockwell
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Sean Alfortush and his ambulance chasing wife were and are the worst
He’s doing okay in his latest venture as a racehorse trainer.
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Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:30 pm to Kayakndan74
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Mike Small up in Alexandria used to be the man to get you out of a jam back in the day.
I think he only does white collar stuff now.
I used to work out at the same gym a bunch of cops went to and they were constantly bitching about Mike Small.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:48 pm to ChestRockwell
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Sean Alfortish
And the tawdry tale of the convienently dead witness. Allegedly.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:58 pm to NIH
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NIH
Slowflopro
Lol no.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 10:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Paul Minor had a good run, Russ Herman had a good run, even though both of them would frick a snake if they could hold it long enough, and both of them fricked me out of money.
Ed Walters has always been good and more importantly is a good guy.
I will definitely tell you this as it is a pure fact, there are fewer and fewer great trial lawyers each and every generation. The story telling abilities and communication skills are just not there anymore, and you just don’t get enough trial practice. I was lucky to get four jury trials a year when the guys before me got a dozen or more a year and before that 3 times that. (Civil litigation)
I never got enough trial experience to become great, like most all of my peers, and had 3 separate juries give me more than I ask for, but also lost some I should have won.
Ed Walters has always been good and more importantly is a good guy.
I will definitely tell you this as it is a pure fact, there are fewer and fewer great trial lawyers each and every generation. The story telling abilities and communication skills are just not there anymore, and you just don’t get enough trial practice. I was lucky to get four jury trials a year when the guys before me got a dozen or more a year and before that 3 times that. (Civil litigation)
I never got enough trial experience to become great, like most all of my peers, and had 3 separate juries give me more than I ask for, but also lost some I should have won.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:40 pm to TutHillTiger
Minor is a scumbag
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:44 pm to TutHillTiger
He screwed himself in Humphreys county a few years ago. Was glorious
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:54 pm to ChestRockwell
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Sean Alfortush
Not an attorney. I believe disbarred earlier.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:56 pm to tLSU
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The witness was murdered and the prosecutors in the section kept begging Cannizzaro to dismiss, which always led to me and/or his daughter getting stuck with it. P-ta mon had the defense desk COVERED in 5" binders full of blank paper, which he never touched. Lasted about an hour. Guy was very nice to me the entire time. It was at the time when he was trying to speak with a British accent and the judge kept looking at me trying not to laugh.
That’s awesome but more to the story? Love your insights btw. Gold.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 12:31 am to Havoc
Not seen in court but in public you have the 3 stooges of lawyerdom, Guliani, Eastman and squirrel tooth Sidney Powell
Posted on 9/3/23 at 12:43 am to Asgard
Tony Clayton is very talented with a jury.
Retired Judge Tony Marabella was a great trial lawyer when he was practicing.
Retired Judge Tony Marabella was a great trial lawyer when he was practicing.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 12:44 am to TutHillTiger
This. Trial advocacy is a function of experience (which there is no substitute for), and also a good bit of God given talent and presence that you can't teach.
There aren't enough trials anymore for a lot of lawyers to become great at it. The few lawyers who can do it are in high demand, for good reason.
There aren't enough trials anymore for a lot of lawyers to become great at it. The few lawyers who can do it are in high demand, for good reason.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 7:13 am to Kcrad
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It's easy, if my attorney at any time is looking at TD or even mentions it, his happy arse is fired.
I know some judges who read this place who would frown upon your discrimination
Posted on 9/3/23 at 7:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Lewis Unglesby and Hillar Moore
Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:15 am to Tall Tiger
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Trial advocacy is a function of experience (which there is no substitute for), and also a good bit of God given talent
I think experience is overrated.
It's a function of luck (facts, potential jury members), preparation, and psychology (which may be broken down into intelligence).
Facts and jury determine trials more than anything else.
Preparation makes up the 2nd largest part, and the part that is more important with litigation (which this thread somewhat limits by requiring the lawyering to be "in court"). I'd argue the best "trial lawyers" are the ones who avoid court because they are so good at litigation outside of court. If you're the kind of lawyer who always ends up in court, preparation on certain personal things (like your voice, eye contact, etc.) can work. Hell an underrated part of preparation is being good at appellate work (at least here where we have expansive writs). Being able to legitimately threaten a successful writ will make opponents back down the initial fight (and, as stated earlier, avoiding leading decisions up to others is the most successful type of lawyering).
Then there is psychology, which is what most people get into when discussing who they think are great trial lawyers. This is more lawyer fan fiction and projection than anything. This really only comes into play if you have major issues with the facts and get supremely lucky with your jury panels.
Lawyers are born suckers, though. My next venture is creating some sort of tool to market to lawyers. They're 2nd only to doctors in believing stupid bullshite (and having the money to spend on the fantasy). So many invest in expensive trial prep (jury consultants, mock trials, etc.) that's just ego stroking.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think experience is overrated.
I think “experience” is vastly overrated, but real experience isn’t.
I know lawyers who will brag about having tried dozens/hundreds of cases, but if you watch them, it’s roughly the same script every time, asking the same generic questions during jury selection, etc, etc. Have they gotten really good at following that script? Yep, damned near flawless. Do they actually learn from and improve upon each trial experience? Not in a long, long time.
It’s just like anything else. If you aren’t practicing the right way, being honestly critical of past performance, and actively trying to improve every day, your skill will plateau far below where it should have. Fortunately for those attorneys, and unfortunately for the general public, it’s extremely difficult for an outside observer to see the difference between an attorney who has gotten really comfortable with their shtick and so generally wins the ones they should win and an attorney that is good enough to turn what should be a close loss into a win.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 11:13 am to Asgard
Posted on 9/3/23 at 1:47 pm to Asgard
Mike mf Small!
Posted on 9/3/23 at 1:53 pm to Asgard
an attorney in Sherman, Texas named Joe Wolfe.
He was super nice, but exceedingly skillful. Mr. Wolfe passed away many years ago.
He was super nice, but exceedingly skillful. Mr. Wolfe passed away many years ago.
Posted on 9/3/23 at 5:30 pm to Tall Tiger
Agree 100%
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