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re: Lawyers in: Practice what you really enjoy or what makes you money?

Posted on 4/2/19 at 7:42 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 7:42 pm to
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auto wreck clients seem all have been indoctrinated by billboards and commercials


i was talking about the factory firm PI types

the big PI litigations can be fulfilling and actually help but they're rare
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:24 pm to
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If you were single, no debt, minimal bills and expenses, what would you do?


Anything but law.
Posted by Bigpoppat
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9217 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:28 pm to
I enjoy my job. I've turned down several opportunities to make 60-80k more than I make now. I don't work many hours and I spend most of my time in court. I never wanted to push paper, I wanted to try cases. Maybe one day run for Judge.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:30 pm to
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there is this groupthink within the cult of PI that pretends car wreck attorneys are doing a noble service to help the little people

PI attorneys have to make themselves feel less parasitic. Same goes for disability lawyers and the criminal defense bar.

Actually, the crim defense bar is a batch of fricking loons who think they’re saving the world by getting crackheads back on the street.
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 9:31 pm to
And defense lawyers are codependent with PI lawyers. They gotta have some reason to break life down into six minute segments.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 9:41 pm
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
5982 posts
Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:19 pm to
I would have a very niched practice. I would only handle one client.
Posted by Jwodie
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 10:28 pm to
Like Mesa Verde, or the Corleone Family...
Posted by Halftrack
The Wild Blue Yonder
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 11:43 pm to
I think Mark Bankston at Farrar & Ball is having a great time making Alex Jones look like a fool in the deposition that was recently taken regarding the Sandy Hook matter.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 11:48 pm
Posted by Tall Tiger
Dixie
Member since Sep 2007
3263 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 12:33 am to
To be a great plaintiff PI lawyer and enjoy it, you have to have the ideological bent that the little guy is always right amd just, and large corporations are categorically evil and deserve punishment. A lot of the best PI lawyers come from humble origins, and are getting revenge on perceived enemies via the court system. It's almost a religious calling for them, and in jurisdictions like Orleans Parish, the jurors are a receptive congregation.
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
8636 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 5:46 am to
Lol like anyone enjoys practicing anything Law. But seriously there are some particularly important and useful areas of law to practice, and good on those who enjoy it.

I suspect you’ll find most come to enjoy things about whatever they practice, but it’s mostly about paying the bills and affording one the time/money to do their hobbies—you know, what they actually like to do.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 9:04 am to
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you have to have the ideological bent that the little guy is always right amd just, and large corporations are categorically evil and deserve punishment.

they're just buying into the Reptile Brain Strategy

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In their book, Reptile: The 2009 Manual of the Plaintiff’s Revolution, authors Don C. Keenan and David Ball advocate persuading jurors by appealing to their “reptile brains,” the “oldest” part of the brain and the part responsible for primitive survival instincts. In their books, videos, and seminars, Keenan and Ball advise plaintiff attorneys to demonstrate to jurors the immediate danger posed by the actions of defendants because, as they put it, “when the reptile sees a survival danger, even a small one, she protects her genes by impelling the juror to protect herself and the community.”


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The plaintiff Reptile Strategy aims to influence jury decision-making by appealing to the reptilian complex of jurors’ brains. That is, plaintiff counsel uses tactics to activate jurors’ survival instincts in hopes that they will make decisions based on instinct (i.e., fear) rather than logic and reasoning. While there are several tactics that Keenan and Ball recommend, the keystone of their strategy is to focus on danger and community safety.

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Establish Danger to Community. One of the most important concepts of the Reptile Approach is the concept of the “Safety Rule.” A safety rule is a universal principle of how people should behave (e.g., a doctor must not needlessly endanger a patient). A plaintiff attorney who is using the Reptile Approach will point out to jurors a general safety rule, get defense witnesses to agree with the rule, demonstrate to jurors how the defendant broke the safety rule and suggest that breaking the rule put the entire “community” at risk, thereby “awakening the reptile brain” in the juror. Keenan and Ball illustrate this concept with the phrase “Safety Rule + Danger = Reptile.”

Jury Has the Power to Improve the Community’s Safety. Showing the danger is only the first step. The second step is convincing jurors that they have the power to reduce or eliminate the danger. In fact, another aspect of the reptile strategy is convincing jurors that they are the only ones with that power, and that they should exercise that power by finding in favor of the plaintiff and awarding a large amount of monetary damages. In essence, the Reptile Approach subtly suggests to jurors that they should award compensatory damages to punish the defendant and deter others. Attorneys using this strategy may even suggest that without a “proper” verdict and an “appropriate” punishment, the danger to the community will actually be increased.

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23796 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 9:12 am to
I did public interest work for three years, full bliss, great time. Then three things happened. I decided I wanted to marry a wonderful gal who was out of my league, and I was at the point of deciding which bills not to pay each month. The third thing was that I was also being recruited by a commercial firm, and the move would triple my salary. So I sold out, got married, paid my bills and couldn't be happier.
Posted by LSULaw2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2008
1696 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 9:27 am to
I went the State government attorney (unclassified) route.

I could have made more money going private sector, and have had a couple of opportunities, but enjoy the work I do providing help to State and local officials.

Pay is finally hitting decent amount and my job qualifies for Public Service Loan Forgiveness so I will end up saving a bunch on student loan payments to offset the initial lower pay.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79322 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 9:29 am to
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I have a decent practice, make good money and really like the people I work with. That said, it’s a job and I don’t live for the law. I do this shirt because I have bills to pay and I like nice shite and I like to trave. If I hit the lottery, or just find a better way, I’m out.



Same. I rarely dislike what I do and never really feel like I'm pulled in an uncomfortable direction. Sure, I sometimes represent businesses who are probably in the wrong on a given dispute, but genuine ethical issues are extremely rare in my practice.

I'm usually working a small number of prolonged cases, which I like. Allows me the sport of litigation without the hassles of high volume. I also rarely have to engage in over the top play acting litigation, which I abhor.
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