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re: Lawsuit for tuition/fee reimbursement. It will not be the last...
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:48 am to Anaximander
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:48 am to Anaximander
Almost every major university had offered 100 percent online degrees for a while now. Many on-campus classes still deliver a lot of content online.
If you think that the LSU online classes aren't as good as the LSU on-campus classes, then everything universities and our society have done for the last 10 years, working towards more remote higher education, would be completely overturned.
These kids are still getting an education. It's not like the fiasco with LSU dorms.
If you think that the LSU online classes aren't as good as the LSU on-campus classes, then everything universities and our society have done for the last 10 years, working towards more remote higher education, would be completely overturned.
These kids are still getting an education. It's not like the fiasco with LSU dorms.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:55 am to LSUFanHouston
These sweeping “as good or not as good” comments don’t hold water. As with most things in life it depends on the situation, namely, the course of instruction. Humanities are much less impacted via online instruction than science and engineering.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:56 am to Anaximander
My sister's in OT school and had paid $20K+ for this semester. They've gone to online schooling for the rest of the foreseeable year but no tuition deduction has been discussed.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:56 am to LSUFanHouston
Online classes don’t cost (or shouldn’t anyway) as much as in person classes and you can’t do every major online. Premed online would be an adventure no?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:59 am to tiggerthetooth
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Colleges definitely need to go online more
100%. There is no reason that a freshman seminar class with 300 students needs to meet in person three times a week. Have the professor offer that shite online and have his office hours available through Skype for those classes. Reserve the in person classes for those that require physical presence (like labs and such) and classes taken after a major is declared where a back and forth between the students and the professors during class is desirable and encouraged.
When I talk about 300 kids sitting in a room staring at what's going on up front and not being allowed to talk, am I talking about a college class or have I just described a screening of "Frozen"? What works to deliver a Pixar movie will work to deliver a freshman seminar.
Plus, it opens up resources. The department can have multiple professors deliver the lectures and stream them to all sections at different times. A better approach would be on demand within a given window. So, for the Monday lecture, you have the 24 hours of Monday to watch the lecture as many times as you'd like. After that, it's no longer available. You'd have to put some restrictions like that to keep students engaged for the semester instead of trying to cram 30 hours of lectures 3 days before the final. The professor would be available by Skype during posted office hours, as usual. Instead of having 3 professors each teaching a section of a course with 3 meetings a week for 9 professor-hours devoted to lectures, you let the same three professors work as a team, each recording one lecture a week for a total of 3 professor-hours, freeing them up for other tasks, research, etc. There, I've just freed up 6 professor hours a week for your chemistry department for a massive increase in productivity. Now, give me a $500,000 a year job as a college administrator.
Of course, colleges will never do this. They've got to pay to maintain that giant auditorium and all those buildings whether or not they use them, so why would they ever willingly quit using them and justifying their "facilities fees"?
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 9:24 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:00 am to Pedro
Friend,
Most of first year to year and a half of med school now is essentially online. Have you attended a lecture recently? A few months ago, I peeked into one and there were perhaps 10 people in attendance. Lectures are online and most students get them online and supplement with other online material, like Dr. Najeeb, Medcram, etc. Anatomy labs and certain clinical skills classes at the present time are in-person, but that too one day could change. So yes, I could see pre-med being online one day.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
Most of first year to year and a half of med school now is essentially online. Have you attended a lecture recently? A few months ago, I peeked into one and there were perhaps 10 people in attendance. Lectures are online and most students get them online and supplement with other online material, like Dr. Najeeb, Medcram, etc. Anatomy labs and certain clinical skills classes at the present time are in-person, but that too one day could change. So yes, I could see pre-med being online one day.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 9:00 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:20 am to LSUFanHouston
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If you think that the LSU online classes aren't as good as the LSU on-campus classes, then everything universities and our society have done for the last 10 years, working towards more remote higher education, would be completely overturned.
College simply isn’t as good as it was fifty or sixty years ago. We’ve made education more accessible, and in the process we’ve watered it down.
I assume online education will just accelerate that trend.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 9:21 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:21 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Hopefully this shutdown weeds out the UNOs, Southerns, Xaviers, LSUSs, NSUs, Southeasterns of the world
DAMN! You just pissed off A LOT of posters. You're absof*ckinglutely CORRECT. But, you still pissed off many an OTer.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:27 am to Anaximander
With current technology, colleges may likely realize they don’t need to offer everything in class after this. We may see a shift to even more online classes in the future, with limited in-class instruction only geared towards things like labs—even that may be a stretch as you can already do lower level bio, chem, and physics online.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:38 am to TulaneLSU
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TulaneLSU
100% agree.
There’s actually some good research out there for college providing primarily a liberal arts/classical education. The whole idea of “majors” preparing people for the workforce is mostly a farce. I know that most here feel the opposite, but they’re coming at it from a practical POV based on their own experience.
Of course, you can’t charge these exorbitant prices for someone to get a classical education. But college should be an elite education for elite students. Not a brief and weak job-prep for a market that has to train and teach entry level employees through internships and grunt work anyway.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:46 am to StringedInstruments
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But college should be an elite education for elite students.
I do like the European system better for this reason.
We should have separate institutions dedicated to job preparation.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:49 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Hopefully this shutdown weeds out the UNOs, Southerns, Xaviers, LSUSs, NSUs, Southeasterns of the world
Hopefully it weeds out the stupid degrees, and wasteful money spent propping up stupid department heads to make students bow down to liberal agendas. I think there will be a need to have the smaller campuses as long as it's financially responsible and self supportive. This may finally remake the American college system to make it great again.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:50 am to MMauler
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Hopefully this shutdown weeds out the UNOs, Southerns, Xaviers, LSUSs, NSUs, Southeasterns of the world
Lot of wat packed in this statement, but most notably the inclusion of a private university.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:53 am to Anaximander
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Online is not the same and they are not delivering near the same product online.
Not universally. And Universities have hand to hemorrhage money to make this conversion even possible and still meet accrediation standards (LSU must be paying proctorU millions of dollars and their IT and instructional design people are working massive OT surely). You could argue you should be paying more.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:55 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Hopefully this shutdown weeds out the UNOs, Southerns, Xaviers, LSUSs, NSUs, Southeasterns of the world
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Southeasterns
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:01 am to Anaximander
Academic Excellence Fee
These funds are used to promote academic excellence by enhancing instructional programs.
Operational Fee
During the 2004 Regular Session, the Louisiana Legislature passed House Bill 1062 authorizing the LSU Board of Supervisors to assess an operational fee of up to 4 percent of the total mandatory tuition and fees. The operational fee is used to cover state mandated costs and enhance instructional programs at the University.
Building Use Fee
This fee is used to help construct, acquire, repair, maintain, operate, or improve the facilities and physical infrastructure of the University. In the case of the Distance Learning Programs, the fee provides funding to maintain, operate, repair and improve the facilities and infrastructure used by our staff.
Student Excellence Fee
The purpose of this fee is to enhance the LSU student learning experience. The fee revenues are used to increase instructional and student support services as part of LSU’s graduation and retention efforts. The majority of the funds are allocated to academic colleges, with the remainder allocated to student support functions such as the Center for Academic Success, LSU Libraries, mental health counseling, and campus safety.
These funds are used to promote academic excellence by enhancing instructional programs.
Operational Fee
During the 2004 Regular Session, the Louisiana Legislature passed House Bill 1062 authorizing the LSU Board of Supervisors to assess an operational fee of up to 4 percent of the total mandatory tuition and fees. The operational fee is used to cover state mandated costs and enhance instructional programs at the University.
Building Use Fee
This fee is used to help construct, acquire, repair, maintain, operate, or improve the facilities and physical infrastructure of the University. In the case of the Distance Learning Programs, the fee provides funding to maintain, operate, repair and improve the facilities and infrastructure used by our staff.
Student Excellence Fee
The purpose of this fee is to enhance the LSU student learning experience. The fee revenues are used to increase instructional and student support services as part of LSU’s graduation and retention efforts. The majority of the funds are allocated to academic colleges, with the remainder allocated to student support functions such as the Center for Academic Success, LSU Libraries, mental health counseling, and campus safety.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:12 am to MMauler
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DAMN! You're absof*ckinglutely CORRECT. But, you still pissed off many an OTer.
You’re allowed to say “frick” on this site.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:16 am to Anaximander
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Upperclassmen in liberal arts classes are missing out on the small discussion groups that are important components of some classes.
Liberal arts? You ain't missing out on anything with this bullshite sector. Whether online or in class. Either way it's a waste of time.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:23 am to Anaximander
this isn't isolated to colleges. Lots of folks with kids in Catholic school want April and May tuition back.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:31 am to yaboidarrell
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They've gone to online schooling for the rest of the foreseeable year but no tuition deduction has been discussed.
They're going to hoard their money no doubt. Can't really blame them either because they're all about to be in a crunch.
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