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re: Latoya gives a big FU to Lakeview residents

Posted on 6/14/22 at 5:31 pm to
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29200 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 5:31 pm to
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I love that Bottomland is getting downvoted for his post and has more knowledge on the exact subject than any posters combined.

Says a lot about why the city is fricked on this.


It is what it is. But yeah, the city is for real fricked Part of the reason why I left. I got tired of banging my head up against a brick wall.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76158 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 6:08 pm to
I've probably read that master plan thing a half dozen times at this point. Amazing the effort that went into it, only to see this bickering and shite doom everyone.

Fortunately the problems will be left to future generations so my outlook is fine. Maybe I get lucky, they let the low areas go, and have a fishing camp to rent out when I retire.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
51960 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 6:19 pm to
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I love that Bottomland is getting downvoted for his post and has more knowledge on the exact subject than any posters combined.

Bottomland should use all of his knowledge to explain why Metairie isn’t having the same issues.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76158 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 6:31 pm to
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explain why Metairie isn’t having the same issues.


You mean like last week when Causeway was underwater?
Posted by Eightballjacket
Member since Jan 2016
7892 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:33 pm to
That’s going to kill fishing in City Park.
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:38 pm to
My point is that any local white person that voted for Latoya is a degenerate.
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
6926 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:44 pm to
I'd drive 750 miles from Louisville to take a dump on her lawn, after a Rocky and Carlos dinner. She's a disgusting, disgraceful, incompetent, thug of a human being. The NOLA media is so afraid of her, for what?
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
6926 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:49 pm to
She's a hood rat thug. There I said it. Nothing more than a loudmouth, uneducated black person that walked arse backwards into politics. Satan can run against Jesus, and as long as Satan is black, those knuckleheads in NOLA will pull the lever. It ain't never gonna change.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12450 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:53 pm to
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I'm kind of torn. Cantrell sucks, a lot, but the city also has to learn to live with water and quit relying so much on pipes and pumps. Those systems are what got Lakeview into it's current predicament. The more you pump, the more you drain the groundwater, the more you sink, the more it fricks up the pipes, the more you flood, rinse and repeat.


Post of the thread here
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29200 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:17 pm to
I wasn't aware that Jefferson Parish didn't have flooding and subsidence problems. News to me.

Let's ignore the more southeastern portion of Metairie that sits on the ridge along the long-gone Bayou Metairie. Water runs down hill and those fortunate people are at the top of the hill.

Jefferson Parish (I'm only talking about the East Bank. I don't know much about the West Bank) has an advantage in that they essentially have a grid of open canals. This network of canals allows for groundwater recharge to happen over much larger portions of the area. Areas near the canals have less subsidence than those further away. That said, Jefferson could raise their canal levels to increase the groundwater recharge.

We played with the idea alternating between high and low water levels to back-flood subsurface drainage systems to further increase the area groundwater could infiltrate. Kind of like a giant percolation system that would use the broken pipes to put water back in the ground. The problem was that would require a much more technologically advanced system. It could have changed since then, but as of a decade ago the system was a guy in a truck running around turning on pumps when it started to rain. You'd need a smart system that could work with the weather to remotely turn on pumps and close gates to draw down levels as needed to gain detention volume for an imminent storm. That was very expensive.

Let's not kid ourselves, though. Jefferson Parish has flooding and subsidence problems just like Orleans and St. Bernard. They just have more money band-aid the problem. They also have a little less bureaucratic bullshite to cut through to get things done. When we were discussing the idea of back-flooding pipes, one Jefferson Parish employee said "frick it, I'll go try it out tomorrow on the Canal St. Canal," and the next day it was done. They were much more open to change and trying new things out. That would never happen in Orleans without it going through 20 levels of S&WB, DPW, and Corps of Engineers.

As an interesting aside, Jefferson Parish has a pretty clever system where they circulate the water in the canals to remove hyacinth. That was always cool to me.
Posted by TSmith
New Orleans, La.
Member since Jan 2004
2229 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:26 pm to
Back flooding the pipes? Recirculating system for hyacinths? How long ago we talking here?
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29200 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:27 pm to
10-15 years ago.
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
5483 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:30 pm to
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Let's ignore the more southeastern portion of Metairie that sits on the ridge along the long-gone Bayou Metairie



There’s still a sliver of Bayou Metairie:


LINK
Posted by MetrySaint24
Metairie
Member since Nov 2018
722 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:45 pm to
Once again when you are financially invested several ways it's not so easy to just sell everything and pick up and move. If you are a professional whose profession travels of course you can go wherever you want, but to pretend that applies to every good tax paying person who is here is ridiculous. You can of course try to start hedging by buying property elsewhere and encourage your kids to go out of state to college, but you can't shut it all down overnight with no income and move your family and start all over when you have bills and long term investment in and around the city.
Posted by man in the stadium
Member since Aug 2006
1442 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:46 pm to
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Then you know you have to rely on pipes and pumps. The ponds in park might stop a 25 yr storm event from flooding over top of the residential streets (which is more of an inconvenience) but they aren't extending the time of concentration when soils have no sorbtion left. There also isn't more than 8" of freeboard from water surface to top-of-bank in those ponds. I'd like to know how many cubic yards of storage this project actually increases the site and what kind of relief is actually given to the pumps. I'd assume a 100yr storm event and this project brings very little value to the communities flood issues.


I read the pieces of the modeling documentation for this I could dig up online. At most the benefits are 6-8 inches. Given models inherently have a vertical error, likely of a few inches, that means you may be at best looking at 2-3 inches of benefit from a frequent event like the 10 yr 24 hr…marginal at best.

I also am familiar with the model being used for the analysis and am skeptical of some aspects of it. Nola has very few rain gauges for model calibration. The model is calibrated (and it’s accuracy measured) based on its ability to reproduce water surface elevations at the intakes of pump stations (within the conveyance system) and NOT by flood depths in the streets. That’s a big issue. It means it’s even harder to truly know what the model’s accuracy is for predicting flood depths at the surface. To make things even more questionable, the model assumes all conveyance (pumps, pipes, catch basins) work 100% efficiently, which we all know is a massive and risky assumption. No sensitivity testing has been provided by the city or it’s consultants to examine what implications there may be for these lack of data and major assumptions.

Finally, on the topic of storage in the lagoons: one can look all across every suburban retention/detention pond in south Louisiana and know 99% are operated incorrectly by keeping water levels near bank full for aesthetic effect, thus reducing storage capacity for storm runoff. Designers can talk until the cows come home about why this case will be different but let’s get real, there is a low likelihood of proper operation or maintenance.

Perhaps all of the analysis is on point and the project is truly beneficial, but it seems there has been a piss poor public communication and stakeholder engagement strategy at the very least for this.
Posted by Flashback
reading the chicken bones
Member since Apr 2008
8479 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 9:08 pm to
Boo hoo
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
33282 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 9:15 pm to
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My point is that any local white person that voted for Latoya is a degenerate.


I know for a fact that she extorted local businesses that have leases with the city for their vote in the recent election under the threat of cancelling their leases. Businesses had to essentially make a business decision on whether fighting a baseless lease cancellation through litigation against the City of Nola—which is known for not paying out judgments—was worth the cost of simply capitulating to her pressures. It’s not like she’s concerned about getting in trouble for doing illegal shite, since she never has to answer for any of it.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29200 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 9:56 pm to
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Designers can talk until the cows come home about why this case will be different but let’s get real, there is a low likelihood of proper operation or maintenance.


Ain't this the truth. Stormwater facility maintenance enforcement in LA is a joke.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26234 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:14 pm to
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You dumbfricks who stay down there will eat Teedy's shite and you'll like it! That's your mayor. You elected her. Now deal with it.

I guess if you look at it that way, you'll eat Joe Biden's soft shite and lick his old, low-hanging balls and like it since you live in America and he was elected by the majority. That's your president. You elected him. See how that works?

Yes, a number of people do deserve her, but not everyone and quite a number of people hate her guts.
Posted by Boudinbaw
Member since Jan 2020
84 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:29 pm to
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