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Posted on 3/27/22 at 3:24 pm to SirWinston
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It's frightening how many simps on this board are buying the MSM narrative. Russia taking Kiev will end this very quickly. That is what all of us should be rooting for.
I’m not rooting for Russia in any way and personally I think Putin is psychopath.
I lean towards really not giving a frick. If Russia takes all of Ukraine or none at all its really not going to affect my life much or the global power balance in general.
I suppose I’m rooting for Ukraine as the underdog. But my emotional attachment is about the same as me rooting for ULL over Bama in football. I don’t care about ULL other than they have some Cajun French names that I recognize and I hate Bama with a passion but in the end I know it’s really irrelevant to me or my team.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 3:40 pm to SirWinston
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Russia taking Kiev will end this very quickly. That is what all of us should be rooting for
Considering that the Ukranians are successfully counterattacking around Kyiv, this is on nobody's radar besides yours. That includes the Russian MoD.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 3:56 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I haven't come across either side cataloging their own war crimes prior to this. Granted, I'm also not a war journalist.
Still comes across as strange to say the least.
Still comes across as strange to say the least.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 4:05 pm to phunkatron
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I haven't come across either side cataloging their own war crimes prior to this. Granted, I'm also not a war journalist.
Well the Ukrainian guys in that video were probably not professional soldiers and they certainly weren’t trained interrogators. As it turns out shooting all of your prisoners in the leg and the trying to question them while they bleed out about officers and which unit they’re from is not the best way to get information.
ETA: that’s if we’re to believe the translation which I have my doubts about. The questioning was so bad that I assume it was just some pissed off Ukrainians telling Russian prisoners about how big a whore their mom is.
This post was edited on 3/27/22 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 3/27/22 at 4:07 pm to LSUCanFAN
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I would say two things to this insightful post. Civilian bombings are going to produce a white hot rage in Ukrainians
The 100% sure way to avoid dying a horrible death in a neighboring country is don’t farking invade and bomb their cities to rubble.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 4:10 pm to TBoy
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The 100% sure way to avoid dying a horrible death in a neighboring country is don’t farking invade and bomb their cities to rubble.
So it’s your opinion that any mistreatment or execution of Russian POWs is justified because Russia started the war?
If so that’s fine, it’s not the most unreasonable position to take even if it based completely on emotion.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 4:14 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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So it’s your opinion that any mistreatment or execution of Russian POWs is justified because Russia started the war?
No, not at all. I don’t know anything about the context of the video, and I also don’t believe that torturing troops that have surrendered or been captured is proper or justified.
Neither is invading and bombing cities to dust.
Considering the brutal and unjustified actions of Russia here, I do, however, understand the impulse to shoot them.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 4:18 pm to TBoy
I understand some of them might be pissed off enough to get some dishonorable revenge on Russian POWs.
But why the frick would you film it?
But why the frick would you film it?
Posted on 3/27/22 at 4:23 pm to TBoy
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Neither is invading and bombing cities to dust.
The invasion is of course unjustified. However the bombing of cities is just part of war. Now you can say that the bombing of cities would have never happened if Russia hadn’t invaded in the first place but they did, and bombing cities isn’t necessarily a war crime. In fact 99 times out 100 it’s not. Mariupol for example is getting leveled because the Ukrainians are putting up a street to street fight for it. Of course it’s going to get destroyed. Go look at the aftermath of Fallujah after we took it in 2004, that place was all kinds of fricked up.
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Considering the brutal and unjustified actions of Russia here, I do, however, understand the impulse to shoot them.
Yeah of course, me too. It’s pretty common practice in brutal wars. I’m too lazy to do it right now but you can go online and find videos of US Marines kneecapping Japanese prisoners on Iwo Jima.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 4:24 pm to phunkatron
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But why the frick would you film it?
For the exact same reason all 20 something’s film the stupid shite they do, the TikTok likes
Posted on 3/27/22 at 4:26 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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For the exact same reason all 20 something’s film the stupid shite they do, the TikTok likes
Bingo. Attention whores gonna attention whore, no matter where you happen to be at on this planet.
ETA: Don't think for a second Russian soldiers wouldn't be doing the same thing right now if they weren't getting their shite pushed in.
This post was edited on 3/27/22 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 3/27/22 at 4:28 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Yeah of course, me too. It’s pretty common practice in brutal wars. I’m too lazy to do it right now but you can go online and find videos of US Marines kneecapping Japanese prisoners on Iwo Jima.
My wife's long departed uncle said in WWII his infantry group troops were told if German prisoners were captured and had the SS patch, just shoot them. Dead.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 5:13 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Mariupol for example is getting leveled because the Ukrainians are putting up a street to street fight for it. Of course it’s going to get destroyed. Go look at the aftermath of Fallujah after we took it in 2004, that place was all kinds of fricked up.
I agree with you that hitting civilian targets doesn't always make a war crime. Like the shopping mall that was hit in Ukraine a couple weeks ago. Turns out you could see military trucks parked underneath in CCTV footage right before the strike. Can't park military vehicles near civilians then cry war crimes when they get hit.
But my thing with Mariupol is that the leadership sat down for talks, agreed to humanitarian corridors in multiple places and didn't honor them. You mentioned Fallujah and how fricked up it got and is true. But didn't we give like a week for all non-combatants to get out? That didn't happen here.
ETA: The POW video is some barbaric shite and anyone who pulled a trigger or ordered that should face severe punishment. Angry about the invasion or not, that's not how those situations are supposed to be handled. Especially when there is a narrative being pushed about the country wanting to do things differently going forward and wanting to become more "European" or "western".
This post was edited on 3/27/22 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 3/27/22 at 5:14 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 3/27/22 at 5:20 pm to IAmNERD
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But my thing with Mariupol is that the leadership sat down for talks, agreed to humanitarian corridors in multiple places and didn't honor them. You mentioned Fallujah and how fricked up it got and is true. But didn't we give like a week for all non-combatants to get out? That didn't happen here.
I’m not exactly sure the details on the corridors but both sides have to make that happen. It may have simply been tactically infeasible for one side or the other to allow them to stay open in any significant way.
And yes, before Fallujah we surrounded the city and slowly tightened the noose while allowing civilians out. We also turned quite quite a few them around when we suspected them of being militants. The tactical situation was pretty different for us then. We controlled every route in and out of the city, every airport in the country and had the bad guys out numbered about 10-1. We also had virtually zero logistical shortages. We didn’t setup any humanitarian corridors during the initial invasion.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 5:25 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I’m not exactly sure the details on the corridors but both sides have to make that happen.
True, which is why I avoided laying blame with either.
Posted on 3/27/22 at 5:28 pm to IAmNERD
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The POW video is some barbaric shite and anyone who pulled a trigger or ordered that should face severe punishment. Angry about the invasion or not, that's not how those situations are supposed to be handled. Especially when there is a narrative being pushed about the country wanting to do things differently going forward and wanting to become more "European" or "western".
Eh I ain’t that mad about it. Combat is one of the most primal things a human can undergo. I’d like to think I’d be better and more civilized than those guys were if I were put in the same situation. Think of it like fricking. It’s just as primal as combat. We’d all like to think we’ll be smart about it and put on a condom or at least pull out. But sometimes you find yourself choking a chick while rawdogging the frick out of it and bust a nut all up in her before you even know what’s happening. That’s basically what war crimes are like
This post was edited on 3/27/22 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 3/27/22 at 5:53 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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That’s basically what war crimes are like
Are you 14? Lmao
Posted on 3/27/22 at 5:55 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Well in case it wasn’t clear I meant war crimes like mistreating enemy prisoners of war, not bombing a maternity ward for the blind from a hundred miles away.
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