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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:13 am to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:13 am to
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You don't need targeting equipment if you have a map with accurate distances and know the windage...


If you want to hit an individual tank with a first round impact from artillery you do. If you want to drop any type of gps guided munition you do.
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:23 am to
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You don't need targeting equipment if you have a map with accurate distances and know the windage...


If you want to hit an individual tank with a first round impact from artillery you do. If you want to drop any type of gps guided munition you do.





Technology > map and compass days
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:27 am to
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Why in the world, with all of the open terrain around that location would you concentrate your forces through that choke point? You maximize your exposure while minimizing your ability to strike back.

Looking at the Google maps location you posted (the satellite view, not the street view) it looks like that choke point is basically where the open terrain ends on the way into Kyiv. So there are open fields to the northeast of the town, but the southwest side is all either urban or full of trees.

They may not have had a great path around that choke point, even without considering their issues with vehicles getting stuck.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:31 am to
BBC

Looks like Russia has a break through in the South. Made significant gains last night
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:33 am to
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Technology > map and compass days
And yet somehow there’s still a Ukrainian 2nd Lt. wandering around looking for the Russians
Posted by IAmNERD
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:44 am to
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Looks like Russia has a break through in the South. Made significant gains last night

They've had much better success in the south over the last week or more. Although it seems the Ukraine forces in the south have made them pay dearly in a couple places, but it never looked like those forces would be able to hold off the Russians. It makes one wonder if the Russian units in the south are better equipped and trained than the ones in the north. Or if the Ukrainians in the south aren't as good as their northern forces. I think it's obvious they have more manpower in the north to defend Kyiv and Kharkiv.

An aside here: It seems the airport in Hostomel is in Russian hands again at the moment. I wonder if Ukraine will counter against and keep the Russians from getting the air bridge? Even if the Russians do hold it, surely it isn't operational for a while. All the action that place has seen would make me think it will take significant work to get the facility up and running where it could be useful. Maybe the Ukes fall back to the airport south of Kyiv and just give that Hostomel airport to the Russians and make them fix it.
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 9:46 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:44 am to
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a Ukrainian 2nd Lt. wandering around looking for the Russians



Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:01 am to
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I assume all the fields in the area are likely too wet and muddy to traverse reliably. Perhaps they thought that since the weather was so bad, the threat of drones strikes was also minimal


Well, I'm no military man but, if the fields are impassable and the roads are the only way my enemy can travel, I think I would blow up the roads...........
Posted by Athanatos
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:01 am to
I am curious how the Ukrainian Army has managed to avoid any decisive battles with the Russians. Where are the Ukrainian tanks?
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:12 am to
The south isnt a muddy hellscape like the north is, which is probably helping Russia.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:16 am to
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I am curious how the Ukrainian Army has managed to avoid any decisive battles with the Russians. Where are the Ukrainian tanks?


I can't imagine they can risk losing armor like the Russians can. Perhaps they're avoiding going toe to toe using tanks to avoid losses they can't easily replace.
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:17 am to
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Where are the Ukrainian tanks?
not getting into
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battles with the Russians
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:24 am to
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It is the second week of war in Eastern Europe. We have a long way to go. The world remains in thrall of one man, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. The war continues to intensify with increasingly indiscriminate shelling and bombing. Hospitals, schools and apartments, some with sheltering citizens, become subject to the criminal neglect of Russian officers in their harried effort to achieve chimeric objectives.

The fiasco of the Polish MiG-29's has either been a misstep, as it most likely is, or a veiled signal, which it is most likely not. Either way, it gains for Putin a perceived leverage. But he has enough problems of his own. Besides a deepening quagmire and economic cataclysm he's had to admit draftees were sent into the conflict, something he promised would not happen. In classic Russian fashion he's vowed to punish those "responsible" for misjudging his orders. The senior officer corps has already been having a bad past few days. Two generals have been killed in action, and reportedly eight more have been sacked.

The humanitarian crisis is growing astronomically. With more than 2m Ukrainians on the road, sheltered in camps and quartered in Polish homes, the refugee migration is already 1/5th that of the Great War in just two weeks of conflict. Refugee corridors arranged by cease fire have been difficult to sustain with frequent violations. The Russians secure corridors leading into Russia while menacing those leading into the Ukrainian interior. Ukraine faces a demographic crisis as women and children flee their homeland while the men stay to fight. It is the year 2022.

The siege of Mariupol has been seeing the hardest urban fighting. The bombing of a hospital has appalled the world over. Fighting persists around Kharkiv. Skirmishing and raiding persists around Kyiv. Tentacles of the Russian advance are closing in around the Donbas where a good bulk of the field army is deployed. A fighting withdrawal to a line anchoring on Kharkiv on the left and Zaporizhzhia on the right is beginning to seem a more prudent defensive position to consider.

There is one encouraging note, and that as long as Putin is mired in an intractable conflict in Ukraine, he cannot threaten any other nation. Certainly not after the abysmal performance his army has shown thus far. Putin may yet win the conventional war in Ukraine, but he will never be able to control the country. This buys NATO time... perhaps years worth of time to build a credible deterrence it has heretofore lacked. That is no encouragement to Zelensky or Ukraine, but the West will continue to supply him with every ATGM and MANPADS he needs to kill Russians. Its the best we can do without risking the dreams of the entire world.
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:27 am to
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Where are the Ukrainian tanks?



My guess would be defensive positions. With the Javelin being so successful really no need to risk losing them.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:30 am to
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chimeric
legend in my mind should award WDE's facebook friend a few points for this word. What a great word.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:38 am to
The nature of Putin's system makes it inevitable that the men who rise to the top will be connivers and toadies. The eight who replace the fired generals will be cut from the same cloth they were. The Russian military will have to be reformed from the ground up but there's no one capable of doing it.

The men who eventually commanded the Red Army to victory predated Stalin, and indeed the Soviet Union. Putin has been in power longer than the time between the Russian Revolution and the outbreak of WWII. He's completely remade the military in his image and it's fatally flawed.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:40 am to
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I can't imagine they can risk losing armor like the Russians can. Perhaps they're avoiding going toe to toe using tanks to avoid losses they can't easily replace.



They seem to be playing by the "lighter, faster, smarter" strategy of using quick strikes to slow/stop advances rather than attempting to fully defeat the invaders. Smart IMO
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:44 am to
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They seem to be playing by the "lighter, faster, smarter" strategy of using quick strikes to slow/stop advances rather than attempting to fully defeat the invaders. Smart IMO


It’s really all they’re capable of. If they tried to get into a pitched battle with the Russians they’d more than likely get their arse kicked. Our tech is giving them the option of taking out a few tanks here and there, slowing or stalling a convoy or armored column once in a while.

I think we may finally be seeing the main battle tank as no longer a viable weapon on the modern battlefield.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:47 am to
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That is no encouragement to Zelensky or Ukraine, but the West will continue to supply him with every ATGM and MANPADS he needs to kill Russians. Its the best we can do without risking the dreams of the entire world.


Disagree it is "the best we can do"

We should provide drone support. Train some of the Ukrainian refugees to be drone pilots then let them use donated American made drones to provide additional ground attack sorties.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:49 am to
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Train some of the Ukrainian refugees to be drone pilots then let them use donated American made drones to provide additional ground attack sorties.


There’s a bit more to it than that.
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