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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/1/25 at 8:38 am to
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 8:38 am to
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Damn...I didn't know we lost 22 out of 31 Abrams. What the hell is Ukraine doing?


They’re doing the same thing the Russians are doing; namely they’re trying to fight a combined arms manufacturer war while having not the slightest clue how to fight combined arms manufacturer warfare.

You can’t use tanks on the battlefield by just lining them up and having them drive toward enemy lines, especially on the modern battlefield where technology has advanced to where drones and precision artillery strikes can be used to neutralize individual targets. It requires close coordination between multiple combat arms, namely infantry, armor, artillery, cav (or recon), air-defense AA, and a variety of combat support units that are vital in keeping the combat arms elements of a maneuver unit going. And along either side all of this, you have to also coordinate with air assets to control the skies over the battlefield while also using other air assets to provide ground support to the maneuver formations. The battlefield is 3D and both the Russians and Ukrainians can only think in 2D.

Neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians have the training or command and control capabilities to organize and orchestrate the battlefield assets to successfully deploy what we in the West would consider combined arms operations. This is why this war has devolved into WWI style static warfare.

It was combined arms operations by the Allies in 1918 that finally broke the stalemate of the Western Front. This offensive, known now as the “Hundred Days” Offensive was the first truly combined arms operation in history and it was devastating to the German static defenses that had held since 1914.

The “Hundred Days” changed warfare forever. But it requires a level of military sophistication that the Russians and Ukrainians simply don’t have. Thus, when they try it, their attempts resemble the British and French early attempts in 1917 when they deployed tanks against German defenses. These early attempts at combined arms operations in 1917 saw some limited gains, but due to poor coordination between the tanks and other assets like infantry, cavalry, and artillery, no breakthrough was achieved.

So so answer your question as to why the Ukrainians are losing Abrams, it’s because they’re using them like it’s 1917 instead of using them like it’s 1918. And the Russians are doing the same thing.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 8:42 am to
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On Russian Military Transport Aviation Day, the Head of the Security Service of Ukraine sends his regards

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 8:50 am to
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Ukraine’s strikes today on multiple Russian airbases was codenamed “Operation Web,” involved more than a year and a half of planning.

Ukrainian FPV drones were hidden in false cargo containers and launched near the Russian airfields, per Ihor Lachenkov.


I was wondering how Ukraine was able to hit targets so deep into Russia. Now, I’m wondering how those cargo containers got from Ukraine into Russia. They had to have outside help because I don’t think there is any commercial traffic going between the two.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:10 am to
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I swear some of you regulars in this thread have lost all ability to use reason. Where have I ever said Russia has any moral high ground? Where have I ever said anything that could be considered justification for the Russian invasion of Ukraine?


You have not.

I should not have directed my question directly to you. It should have been a general question which required no answer. My apology.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:12 am to
If the reports are true and Russia lost 45 strategic bombers today...that is a MASSIVE loss. That loss impacts their strategic posture. Think about us losing 45 airframes from our B52, B1, and B2 fleets.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:16 am to
FPV drone warfare has emerged as a deadly threat to armor; even advanced tanks like the Abrams are vulnerable. This will lead to a significant paradigm shift in armor design philosophy.
Posted by Junky
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:27 am to
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FPV drone warfare has emerged as a deadly threat to armor; even advanced tanks like the Abrams are vulnerable. This will lead to a significant paradigm shift in armor design philosophy.


Not entirely. US defense companies have been developing technologies to counteract drones for the last 20 years. We are now seeing the concepts come to fruition. We have squad-level, handheld/rifle sized, jammers. We have larger installations we can deploy to protect bases, as well as aviation and mobile deployed technology.

This was created to protect our massive investment of conventional arms.

**It is a bit shocking Russia has not done the same.
This post was edited on 6/1/25 at 9:28 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:27 am to
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Preparation footage: Today's special operation "Web" was prepared for more than a year and a half – 41 russian aircraft were hit, – the media reports.

The operation was extremely complex from a logistical point of view. First, the SSU sent FPV drones to russia, and then mobile wooden houses.

The houses were placed in trucks. At the right time, the roofs of the houses were remotely opened, and the drones flew to hit Russian bombers.

The people who took part in this historic special operation have been in Ukraine for a long time. So if russia detains someone for show, it will be another staging.


Aaaand, the video is already up. At 02:13 we can see the drones flying out of the top of the trucked containers.

Beautiful.
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:42 am to


What a beautiful sight .
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:51 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:54 am to
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If the reports are true and Russia lost 45 strategic bombers today.




You NAFO Trolls always fall for these Ghost of Kiev stories
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:00 am to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:01 am to
Guess we got the official Russian line: Nothing actually happened it's just Ukrainian Propaganda
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:01 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:03 am to
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Nothing actually happened 


45 planes? That definitely didn't happen. 4 planes out of 100
This post was edited on 6/1/25 at 10:07 am
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:07 am to
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FPV drone warfare has emerged as a deadly threat to armor; even advanced tanks like the Abrams are vulnerable. This will lead to a significant paradigm shift in armor design philosophy.


And the Russians have lost thousands for the same reason.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:09 am to
The hype over this event, while warranted because of the cost related and the nuclear implications, is being wildly misappropriated to Ukraine somehow “being back”.

Ukraine is striking Russian airfields and blowing bridges because nothing inside of Ukraine is working. Ukraine’s biggest problem is not strategic Russian aviation. Iskanders and Geran-2 drones are doing much more work than Tu-95s. We’ve seen three strike utilizing these bombers in the last 4 months and they’ve all been within the last week. While this may slow the current strike campaign (it’s 3-5/100 so probably won’t) it will have almost zero noticeable effect on Russian territorial progress and Ukraines high attrition rates."


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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:17 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:20 am to



It has become known what position Ukraine will bring to tomorrow’s negotiations in Istanbul. Reuters has published the key points of its proposal:

?? A complete ceasefire for 30 days as the first step toward a settlement;

?? A large-scale prisoner exchange on an “all for all” basis;

?? The return of certain “Ukrainian children” taken to Russian territory;

?? A high-level meeting (Zelensky – Putin) after the initial conditions are met;

?? The creation of an international working group (with U.S. and EU participation) to draft final peace terms;

?? No restrictions on Ukraine’s rearmament;

?? Non-recognition of lost territories, with talks based on the current front line;

?? Mandatory reparations payments from Russia.

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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:24 am to
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