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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:09 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:09 pm to John Barron
First you brought up GDP and I noted that Russia was ranked 11th behind 10th place Brazil.
I suspect you got in trouble with handler and then quickly pivoted to GDP PPP.
Yes Russia is 4th j in n GDP PPP. I acknowledged that but I also pointed out that Russian GDP PPP is not rising at a 4.1% rate their GDP is.
Those are the facts of the matter. Stuff like that makes all your posts suspect.
I suspect you got in trouble with handler and then quickly pivoted to GDP PPP.
Yes Russia is 4th j in n GDP PPP. I acknowledged that but I also pointed out that Russian GDP PPP is not rising at a 4.1% rate their GDP is.
Those are the facts of the matter. Stuff like that makes all your posts suspect.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 6:19 pm
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:10 pm to Chromdome35
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If a city is built to have a capacity of 5M people, are you arguing that it isn't a ghost city if ONE person lives there?
No. You posted 1.5 million live in the city that is not a ghost city. Like I mentioned before, China does not build these cities with a 10 year time frame. These are long term projects.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:14 pm to John Barron
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John Barron
We knew Russia was your number #1 love.
Now we know China is your #2.
Which country is #3?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:20 pm to notiger1997
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We knew Russia was your number #1 love. Now we know China is your #2. Which country is #3?
If can’t be NK, he won’t even acknowledge thrir soldiers are dying in Russia. I think it’s Iran.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:36 pm to Chromdome35
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If a city is built to have a capacity of 5M people, are you arguing that it isn't a ghost city if ONE person lives there? If not, what is the occupancy threshold for when it should no longer be considered a ghost city?
Viktor had driven to them and all over China. Nary a person within sight. His reporting is that it is far worse than when is on the internet.
BTW, corruption is out the wazoo, every government official wanted huge commissions to offshore accounts for awarding a grain tender to them. Some were dressed like bums, literal bums, who came to their offices there.
Anyone who continually cites Lord Bebo and Ayden is a moron, or paid shill
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:40 pm to doubleb
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Yes Russia is 4th j in n GDP PPP. I acknowledged that but I also pointed out that Russian GDP PPP is not riding at a 4.1% rate their GDP is.
You are not making any sense and you are obtuse. Russia's GDP PPP is always going to be higher than than Nominal GDP. I already told you the tweet is not worded properly and said GDP instead of GDP PPP. Russia is ranked 11th in Nominal GDP and Ranked 4th in PPP GDP which is the more accurate measurement. Maybe AI can clear it up for you.
Nominal GDP vs. PPP GDP
Nominal GDP measures the total economic output of a country in current market prices, converted to a common currency (usually USD) using market exchange rates. It reflects the economy's size as seen internationally but can be distorted by currency fluctuations.
GDP at Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) adjusts for differences in price levels between countries, showing what the output would be worth if priced at a standard (usually U.S.) level. It’s a better measure of domestic economic size and living standards.
Russia’s 2024 GDP Estimates
Based on the latest available data up to March 18, 2025:
Nominal GDP (2024): Estimates vary, but the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank data suggest Russia’s nominal GDP is around $1.9 trillion USD. This reflects a volatile ruble exchange rate and sanctions impacts, though wartime spending has bolstered output.
GDP PPP (2024): The World Bank and IMF estimate Russia’s GDP PPP at approximately $6.9 trillion international dollars. Revised World Bank data from mid-2024 (using the 2021 International Comparison Program) ranks Russia as the fourth-largest economy by PPP, overtaking Japan (around $5.7 PPP).
The 4.1% Figure
The 4.1% doesn’t directly match standard growth forecasts, so let’s explore possible interpretations:
Growth Rate Context: The Russian Ministry of Economic Development forecasted 2024 GDP growth at 3.9% (real terms, adjusted for inflation), up from an earlier 2.8% estimate, per reports from late 2024. The IMF projected 3.6% growth in its October 2024 World Economic Outlook, while some sources (e.g., World Economics) suggest higher estimates when factoring in the informal economy. A 4.1% growth rate could be an alternative projection or a misremembered figure close to these.
PPP vs. Nominal Difference: If 4.1% refers to a growth differential, it doesn’t align directly with nominal vs. PPP growth comparisons, as these are measured differently. However, Russia’s PPP GDP being roughly 3 times its nominal GDP (e.g., $6.9T PPP vs. $2.0T nominal) highlights the ruble’s undervaluation internationally, not a growth rate.
Misinterpretation: The 4.1% might stem from a typo or confusion with another metric (e.g., inflation, budget share). For instance, defense spending is projected at 6.3% of GDP in 2025, but that’s unrelated.
Comparison and Insights
Nominal GDP ($2.0): Reflects Russia’s export-driven economy under sanctions, with a weaker ruble reducing its dollar value. It ranks Russia around 11th globally.
PPP GDP ($6.9T): Shows a much larger domestic economy, ranking 4th globally behind China, the U.S., and India. This resilience is tied to government spending (e.g., defense at $145 billion in 2025) and import substitution, despite sanctions.
Growth in 2024: Real GDP growth estimates (3.6%) outpace many advanced economies (e.g., U.S. at 2.7%, Germany at 0.2%), driven by wartime stimulus, though inflation (8–9%) and shadow economy factors (39% per World Bank) complicate the picture.
Based on current data, Russia’s 2024 PPP GDP significantly exceeds its nominal GDP, reflecting a robust internal economy despite external pressures, with growth likely in the 3.6–3.9% range
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:46 pm to notiger1997
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We knew
I just like pointing out how you NAFO trolls consistently lie. When CitizenK was busted lying again he turns to his fan fiction stories of a "Friend In China" said so. Ignore the videos and AI that say 1.5 million people live in the city. CitizenK says they are only dozens
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:52 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:04 pm to Lee B
Trump ends US program tracking 35,000 missing Ukrainian kids. The relocation of Ukrainian kids by Russia is one of the more black and white realities of this war. It is indefensible. The whole affair echos of the Mothers of Plaza de Mayo in Argentina. It will be decades to reunite these torn families, if ever.
Wash Post
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The forced relocation of Ukrainian children to Russia or deeper into Russian-controlled territory has become one of the most fraught issues over the past three years of the war. In 2022, Putin issued a decree making it quicker and easier for Russians to adopt Ukrainian children. Lvova-Belova is among the Russians who have adopted a Ukrainian child since Russia’s full-scale invasion. Russia has long insisted it is moving children out of front-line areas to protect them, often sending them to summer camps in occupied Crimea or coastal regions of Russia. Ukraine describes the process of moving children to Russia as an attempt to erase their Ukrainian identity and indoctrinate them with Russian ideologies. The Observatory’s repository includes detailed dossiers, photos, names and other metadata related to children from Ukraine being adopted and fostered by Russia. Researchers believe the dossiers will be critical for returning the children.
Wash Post
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:07 pm to John Barron
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When CitizenK was busted lying again he turns to his fan fiction stories
Guy is a grade A moron.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:13 pm to ned nederlander
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Trump ends US program tracking 35,000 missing Ukrainian kids. The relocation of Ukrainian kids by Russia is one of the more black and white realities of this war.
These kids were never missing. They lived in Eastern Ukraine which is Pro Russia and most of these Women and kids went to Russia because that's where they wanted to go. That doesn't make them "missing". Did you want them to stay in War Zones instead? Loading Twitter/X Embed...
If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:17 pm to John Barron
I must have stopped the entire boiler room and got the entire crew on this response.
In short Rusdia is 11th in GDP. Brazil is 10th.
Russia is 4th in GDP PPP.; while the chart I googled had Ukraine at 46th. This indicates just how important this stat means when discussing the war. It’s been three years plus and bring in fourth place in GDP doesn’t seem to help all that much.
In short Rusdia is 11th in GDP. Brazil is 10th.
Russia is 4th in GDP PPP.; while the chart I googled had Ukraine at 46th. This indicates just how important this stat means when discussing the war. It’s been three years plus and bring in fourth place in GDP doesn’t seem to help all that much.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:22 pm to Lee B
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What a surprise - Putin rejects an unconditional ceasefire. He wants to keep bombing and killing innocent Ukrainians. He wants Ukraine disarmed. He wants Ukraine neutralised. He wants to make Ukraine a vassal state of Russia. He isn’t negotiating. He’s laughing at us.
Zelensky doesn’t want peace.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:23 pm to John Barron
Putin Sets Clear Terms for Peace Talks: Crimea and Four New Regions Must Be Recognized as Russian
At a closed-door meeting with business leaders, President Vladimir Putin reiterated that any peace deal with Ukraine must include the recognition of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson as Russian territory, according to journalist Andrei Kolesnikov from Kommersant.
No claims on Odessa—for now: Sources say Moscow is willing to forgo further territorial demands if an agreement is reached soon. However, if Ukraine delays, “the point may move,” as Russian forces continue advancing while Ukrainian troops struggle to fortify positions.
Russia’s message is clear: any settlement will be on Moscow’s terms, or the battlefield will dictate the new map"
At a closed-door meeting with business leaders, President Vladimir Putin reiterated that any peace deal with Ukraine must include the recognition of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson as Russian territory, according to journalist Andrei Kolesnikov from Kommersant.
No claims on Odessa—for now: Sources say Moscow is willing to forgo further territorial demands if an agreement is reached soon. However, if Ukraine delays, “the point may move,” as Russian forces continue advancing while Ukrainian troops struggle to fortify positions.
Russia’s message is clear: any settlement will be on Moscow’s terms, or the battlefield will dictate the new map"
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:42 pm to doubleb
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googled had Ukraine at 46th
NATO is funding Ukraine to the tune of 300 billion plus. You do understand that this is a War between NATO vs Russia in every aspect with Ukrainian Soldiers?
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This indicates just how important this stat means when discussing the war.
Not sure what Ukraine’s economy has to do with anything since they don't have one.
You should be looking at all of NATOs economy vs Russia. That's the reality. It very much does have something to do with discussing the War. That's why what Russia has done against a NATO funded War Machine for 3 years has surprised me. NATO should have had this wrapped up after year 2 Posted on 3/18/25 at 7:51 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:00 pm to doubleb
7% rate of decline by decreasing growth from 4.1 to 3.8, what is this Joe Biden math
Face it, the sanctions didnt do squat, and if they are selling it below cost and their production is down......how is their economy growing. Because the sanctions didnt do squat. Course it might help if the Europeans stopped buying oil and gas from them.
Face it, the sanctions didnt do squat, and if they are selling it below cost and their production is down......how is their economy growing. Because the sanctions didnt do squat. Course it might help if the Europeans stopped buying oil and gas from them.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:06 pm to doubleb
Here is a AI breakdown of the NATO vs Russia War for you doubleb
Russia’s ability to sustain its war effort against a Ukraine heavily supported by NATO can be attributed to a combination of military, economic, and strategic factors. While NATO has provided Ukraine with significant aid—coordinating 99% of its military assistance, including advanced weaponry, training, and over €100 billion in support and aid—Russia has leveraged its own strengths to endure the conflict.
Militarily, Russia maintains a substantial advantage in manpower and resources. With a population over three times that of Ukraine, Russia has not fully mobilized its forces, relying instead on a mix of professional soldiers, conscripts, and volunteers, bolstered by foreign fighters from allies like North Korea. This contrasts with Ukraine, which has fully mobilized and suffered significant losses, straining its human resources. Russia’s military-industrial base, though stressed, has ramped up production, supported by imports of dual-use materials from countries like China, allowing it to sustain equipment losses. Its strategy emphasizes attrition, using artillery and fortified positions to grind down Ukrainian forces, accepting high casualties—estimated in the tens of thousands—as part of its approach, which differs from NATO’s focus on precision and minimizing losses.
Economically, Russia has defied Western expectations of collapse under sanctions. It continues to generate around $400 billion annually from energy exports, redirecting oil and gas sales to Asia, particularly China and India. This revenue funds its war machine, while domestic production of drones, missiles, and refurbished Soviet-era equipment keeps its military operational. Ukraine, meanwhile, relies almost entirely on Western aid, with the U.S. alone providing over $150 billion since 2022, yet delays in delivery and political debates in NATO countries have occasionally disrupted its supply lines.
Strategically, Russia benefits from a unified command structure and clear objectives—securing eastern Ukraine and preventing NATO’s eastward expansion—while NATO’s support, though robust, involves coordination among 32 member states with varying priorities. Russia’s alliances with China, Iran, and Belarus provide additional matériel and diplomatic cover, offsetting NATO’s technological edge. Furthermore, Russia’s willingness to escalate rhetorically (e.g., nuclear threats) and its control of 20% of Ukrainian territory, including recent gains in Kursk and Donetsk, bolster its position.
In short, Russia has endured by leveraging its numerical and industrial depth, economic resilience, and geopolitical partnerships, countering NATO’s advanced support to Ukraine with a war of attrition that plays to its strengths. Factoring in the Sanctions placed on Russia for the last three years it truly is impressive how strongly Russia has performed.
Russia’s ability to sustain its war effort against a Ukraine heavily supported by NATO can be attributed to a combination of military, economic, and strategic factors. While NATO has provided Ukraine with significant aid—coordinating 99% of its military assistance, including advanced weaponry, training, and over €100 billion in support and aid—Russia has leveraged its own strengths to endure the conflict.
Militarily, Russia maintains a substantial advantage in manpower and resources. With a population over three times that of Ukraine, Russia has not fully mobilized its forces, relying instead on a mix of professional soldiers, conscripts, and volunteers, bolstered by foreign fighters from allies like North Korea. This contrasts with Ukraine, which has fully mobilized and suffered significant losses, straining its human resources. Russia’s military-industrial base, though stressed, has ramped up production, supported by imports of dual-use materials from countries like China, allowing it to sustain equipment losses. Its strategy emphasizes attrition, using artillery and fortified positions to grind down Ukrainian forces, accepting high casualties—estimated in the tens of thousands—as part of its approach, which differs from NATO’s focus on precision and minimizing losses.
Economically, Russia has defied Western expectations of collapse under sanctions. It continues to generate around $400 billion annually from energy exports, redirecting oil and gas sales to Asia, particularly China and India. This revenue funds its war machine, while domestic production of drones, missiles, and refurbished Soviet-era equipment keeps its military operational. Ukraine, meanwhile, relies almost entirely on Western aid, with the U.S. alone providing over $150 billion since 2022, yet delays in delivery and political debates in NATO countries have occasionally disrupted its supply lines.
Strategically, Russia benefits from a unified command structure and clear objectives—securing eastern Ukraine and preventing NATO’s eastward expansion—while NATO’s support, though robust, involves coordination among 32 member states with varying priorities. Russia’s alliances with China, Iran, and Belarus provide additional matériel and diplomatic cover, offsetting NATO’s technological edge. Furthermore, Russia’s willingness to escalate rhetorically (e.g., nuclear threats) and its control of 20% of Ukrainian territory, including recent gains in Kursk and Donetsk, bolster its position.
In short, Russia has endured by leveraging its numerical and industrial depth, economic resilience, and geopolitical partnerships, countering NATO’s advanced support to Ukraine with a war of attrition that plays to its strengths. Factoring in the Sanctions placed on Russia for the last three years it truly is impressive how strongly Russia has performed.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:17 pm to trinidadtiger
Given the current status of the war, Russia is being reasonable. If zelensky continues to delay, you might as well throw Odessa in the mix cause that is where this is headed short term.
Kursk is gone, along with it the cream of the crop in troops and a lot of equipment, losing ground everyday on the front, and Russia continuing to pummel infrastructure.
Troops surrendering or going awol in droves.
Pretty soon Kyiv will be on the table if this keeps up.
Kursk is gone, along with it the cream of the crop in troops and a lot of equipment, losing ground everyday on the front, and Russia continuing to pummel infrastructure.
Troops surrendering or going awol in droves.
Pretty soon Kyiv will be on the table if this keeps up.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:19 pm to John Barron
You should post the prompt and the AI model used.
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