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Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:30 pm to
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:30 pm to
Uh... North Korea starves its people, who sit in darkness once the sun goes down and freeze in winter, and tells them "you must sacrifice to fund the military, so that that the evil racially impure mongrels of the West do not invade and rape you and pollute our pure Korean bloodlines.”

The joke being that Korea had always been occupied and subjugated by its stronger neighbors and are hardly some "pure" race...

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UC Berkeley: North Korea’s official propaganda promotes idea of racial purity and moral superiority, scholar says

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not the last bastion of Marxist Leninism or of Confucian patriarchy, says visiting scholar Brian Meyers. Instead, it is guided by a paranoid ideology of race-based nationalism, holding that the Korean people are inherently purer than all others.
This post was edited on 3/3/25 at 11:36 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/3/25 at 11:43 pm to
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And these evil shitlibs keep gaslighting about how Poland and Finland are "next. So stupid.


You do not know what you are talking about.

I read it right here, Russia makes three times more ammo and munitions in three months than NATO does in a year. Their economy is booming. Their GDP is through the roof. The ruble is brtter than ever.

On the other hand Europe is facing a banking crisis. Western culture is collapsing. Immigrants have overrun the continent. UK had no army.

You need to keep up.


Yes.

And there's a total of 15 tanks in the 3 Baltic states and though they've been trained by NATO they would be no match for the mighty Russian military that could not overrun the Ukrainian military... even though Ukraine has no troops.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:01 am to
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How can this be???


“Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.”

- H. L. Mencken


Posted by CaneyLake
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:03 am to
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And there's a total of 15 tanks in the 3 Baltic states and though they've been trained by NATO they would be no match for the mighty Russian military that could not overrun the Ukrainian military... even though Ukraine has no troops.


Ukraine had 400,000 troops with combat experience when the invasion happened you retard, that's probably more than every European country combined.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:03 am to
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That's likely to be some effective sabre-rattling from our Vlad


Well, it was last year and barely anybody noticed or reacted, so...
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:05 am to
HOW DARE THEY!!!

This is the only song they should be dancing to

Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:09 am to
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And there's a total of 15 tanks in the 3 Baltic states and though they've been trained by NATO they would be no match for the mighty Russian military that could not overrun the Ukrainian military... even though Ukraine has no troops.


Ukraine had 400,000 troops with combat experience when the invasion happened you retard, that's probably more than every European country combined.


If you were capable of complex thought and perception you would have noticed we were being sarcastic and repeating the claims other make here, frickwit!
This post was edited on 3/4/25 at 1:07 am
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:25 am to
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European Defense Stocks Soar as Govts Up Military Spend



Just a comment I saw somewhere... all of this unity of purpose might also lead to the reascension of the UK into the EU?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:30 am to
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they won’t have to worry about getting attacked again with a lot of western companies planning to invest in Ukraine


I believe, according to the petrochem industry types on here, that there were Western companies already invested in Eastern Ukraine... and Putin invaded it, anyway.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:31 am to
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I don't really blame Zelensky for doing what he thinks is required to keep his vision of Ukraine alive, as misguided/miscalculated as it may be. I don't like him, but I'm sure at least some part of his motivation is noble/patriotic.

But at the same time, he's essentially demanding we pave the way for 5, 10, 20k additional deaths until he can perhaps get very slightly better resolution, and he's saying to avoid that and avoid spending our money on that effort, we have to guarantee Ukraine's security.

I mean, who could say no to that?

I do think it's amazing to watch our Ukraine-first dudes cheer Zelensky's Ukraine-at-all-costs approach while getting very uncomfortable whenever someone suggests that America is well within its rights to prefer its own citizens to others and tell other nations that they're not a priority for us.


I'm glad you didn't help plan D-Day.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 12:36 am to
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Posted by GOP_Tiger 11/27/24 at 1:01 pm to GOP_Tiger

This thread endured so, so many utterly stupid trolling posts from texag, SirWinston, trinidad, and others who have insisted that President Trump would sell out Ukraine on Day 1.

And now, Trump has picked as his special envoy a man whose plan for Ukraine begins with substantially increasing military aid to Ukraine to force Russia to the bargaining table.

It's almost as though our resident idiots actually believed the crap that Tim Pool, Tucker, and the other paid Russian operatives were pushing out.


I kept trying to tell him I had no faith that Trump wouldn't sell out Ukraine... granted, he was right that it wasn't on Day 1... took a couple of weeks.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 3:27 am to
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White House seeks plan for possible Russia sanctions relief, sources say
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Trump pauses military aid to Ukraine
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Markets sink as Trump confirms tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China
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Forecasters now expect US economic activity to contract over consecutive quarters in the middle of this year


Best US President Russia has ever had.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 4:42 am to

Trump’s Address to Congress Might Include Some News, Including the Lifting of Sanctions on Russia


White House says the speech will expound upon his “accomplishments” in his first weeks in office and “the president’s plan for peace,” but some Dems plan to skip his latest self-promotion.

by John Moretti | Mar. 4, 2025, 3:07 am

On Monday, a US official and “another person familiar with the matter” told Reuters that Trump administration is drawing up a plan to potentially give Russia sanctions relief as part of his ongoing negotiations with Ukraine and Russia.

Reuters’ sources said that the White House has asked the State and Treasury departments to draft a list of sanctions that could be eased for American diplomats to discuss with Russian representatives in the coming days as part of the administration’s talks with Moscow on improving bilateral relations.

Those offices are now drawing up a proposal for lifting sanctions on select entities and individuals, including some Russian oligarchs, according to the sources.

It is unclear whether Trump will announce those proposals in the speech, but foreign policy is listed prominently on the agenda.

The Kyiv Post
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 4:49 am to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 4:49 am to
anti-Zelenskyy psyop campaign update

Musk suggests Zelenskyy be offered "amnesty in neutral country"

Iryna Balachuk, Mariya Yemets — Tuesday, 4 March 2025, 09:15

US billionaire Elon Musk, who is close to US President Donald Trump, has stated that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should be offered "amnesty" in a neutral country in exchange for "transition back to democracy in Ukraine".

Source: European Pravda with reference to Musk on X (Twitter)

Details: Musk shared a post from a Trump supporter, who called Zelenskyy a dictator and claimed that the Ukrainian president does not want talks to end the war because he fears losing the elections and his power, which in turn could allegedly lead to his prosecution for "money laundering".

Musk added his own comment to the repost: "True. As distasteful as it is, Zelensky should be offered some kind of amnesty in a neutral country in exchange for a peaceful transition back to democracy in Ukraine."

Ukrainska Pravda
This post was edited on 3/4/25 at 5:26 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 4:54 am to
Ursula von der Leyen announces ReArm Europe plan to boost European defense capabilities

by Kateryna Hodunova March 4, 2025 10:54 AM

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen presented on March 4 the ReArm Europe plan aimed at strengthening the defense capabilities of the continent's countries.

The announcement comes amid seismic geopolitical shifts as U.S. President Donald Trump upends Washington's long-standing policy on Ukraine and Russia while casting doubt on his commitments to transatlantic security.

"The real question in front of us is whether Europe is prepared to act as decisively as the situation dictates, and whether Europe is ready and able to act with speed and with the ambition that is needed," von der Leyen said.

The plan consists of five points designed to increase defense spending, as well as defense procurement and production.

The first step is to unleash the use of public funding for defense at the national level. The European Commission is proposing to activate the National Escape Clause of the Stability and Growth Pact, which would allow member states to significantly increase their defense spending without triggering the excessive deficit procedure.

If member states would increase their defense spending by 1.5 percent of GDP on average, this could create close to 650 billion euros ($684 billion) over a period of four years, according to von der Leyen.

The second point is a new instrument that will provide 150 billion euros ($158 billion) of loans to member states for defense investments "to spend better and spend together."

"We're talking about pan-European capabilities domains like, for example, air and missile defense, the artillery systems, missiles and ammunition, drones and anti-drone systems, but also to address other needs from cyber to military mobility, for example," von der Leyen said.

According to von der Leyen, with the new equipment, member states can significantly increase their support for Ukraine and provide military aid for it immediately.

The third point of the plan is aimed at increasing investment in the defense sector. The European Union will therefore introduce additional opportunities and incentives for member states to decide whether they want to use cohesion policy programs to increase defense spending.

The last two areas of action consider mobilizing private capital by accelerating the Savings and Investment Union and through the European Investment Bank, von der Leyen said.

The ReArm Europe plan could mobilize close to 800 billion euros ($842 billion) of defense expenditures for a "safe and resilient Europe," the president added.

"Europe is ready to assume its responsibilities," she said. "This is a moment for Europe and we are ready to step up."

The Kyiv Independent
This post was edited on 3/4/25 at 4:56 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:03 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:29 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:10 am to
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But NATO is a defensive only pact. Don't start no shite, won't be no shite.

Russia likes to start shite


A huge military conglomerate right on your border is something no country wants and it's totally understandable.

Your first point is correct, but it might not always be correct. And NATO more or less attacked Afghanistan and Iraq under a pseudonym within the past couple of decades.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:27 am to
Random tweets

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"Our stance on sanctions is well known - they are illegal." - said Putin's press secretary.

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Polish border reports confirm that US aid to Ukraine has been suspended, — Polish Prime Minister Tusk.

The Polish Foreign Ministry says that the US has decided to stop military aid to Ukraine without coordination with NATO, without discussion with the alliance and the Ramstein group, which coordinates support for Ukraine.

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WATCH

US Vice President Vance: “Hope is not a strategy. Throwing money at a terrible conflict is not a strategy.”

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Bad news for Starmer and Macron. Vance confirms the only US security guarantee in Ukraine will be the mineral deal. He also plays down British & French peacekeeping troops as “20k troops from some random country that hasn’t fought a war in 30 or 40 years”.

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Kinda odd that Vance forgot France and UK had troops in Iraq and Afghanistan with us....

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"Our goal is to confiscate all 300 billion dollars of frozen Russian assets held in international financial distributions." - Prime Minister of Ukraine Denys Shmyhal.

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Ukraine has built a new defense industry, which today has capabilities that have increased 35 times.

Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal announced this.

"Up to $35 billion per year. This is a significant achievement. In two years, the production of artillery has increased threefold, armored personnel carriers 5 times, anti-tank weapons 2 times, ammunition 2.5 times. Now we produce about a third of the weapons we need, our goal is 50 percent, at least," — the Prime Minister said.

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Bloomberg: Trump asked Putin to broker talks on Iran’s nuclear program.

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Ukraine is prepared to sign a minerals deal with the U.S. “at any time,” says Ukrainian PM.

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Marine Le Pen in the French Parliament: “We cannot give NATO membership to Ukraine. Similarly, Ukraine's accession to the European Union is unquestionably against our interests. Support for these memberships is a major risk for Peace.”

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US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said he will meet with Elon Musk in the coming days to convince him to turn off Starlink in Ukraine.

“Then Zelenskyy will see how much he really depends on us,” — says Rubio.

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Just a reminder it's paid for by Poland


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Australia open to sending peacekeeping troops to Ukraine

Australia’s prime minister Anthony Albanese says his government will consider any proposal to send troops to Ukraine as part of a multinational peacekeeping force, as Europe considers a “coalition of the willing” to enforce any peace deal.

“We stand with President Zelenskyy and the brave struggle of the people of Ukraine to defend their natural sovereignty,” Albanese said.

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NEW: Contrary to reports, The U.S. has not halted any intelligence sharing with Ukraine.

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Europe plans to spend €150 billion on weapons for Ukraine

The European Commission is proposing a new mechanism that will allow EU countries to significantly accelerate and expand military aid to Ukraine, Ursula von der Leyen announced.

?? The EU will propose allocating €150 billion in loans for the production of air defense systems and weapons for Ukrainians.

?? The European Commission also suggests increasing defense spending for European countries by 1.5% of GDP and may allocate up to €800 billion for its own defense.

?? While Trump is scaling back American security efforts in Europe, the continent is entering an era of rearmament.

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