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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/23/25 at 3:49 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 2/23/25 at 3:49 pm to VolSquatch
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"Are you ready to resign as President if it means peace for Ukraine?" "Yes, if it means peace for Ukraine. Or I can exchange it for joining NATO," - President Zelenskyy.
So you don’t agree that Russia will agree to peace then who cares what he says or does? Putin isn’t going to quit until Ukrsine is vanquished.
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Lol he offered to resign if he can get something Russia won't agree to
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Posted on 2/23/25 at 4:00 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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After the reunification, the Ostdeutsch that had any get up and go got up and left. In a hurry. The ones still living there today line up for hours in front of the grocery stores to relive the good old days. And refuse to take capitalist jobs, living off welfare just as their parents and grandparents did. They also watch Russian TV all day, complain about everything and drink. A lot.
The former East Germans have always wished for the Wall to go up again, and now the former West Germans agree... Scheiße, was für ein Durcheinander.
That's kind of remarkable, considering the spirit of most of the former Soviet states... but as you point out, anyone with any get up and go got up and left, immediately.
And the German ex-pats I know personally who came here actually give reunification as one of the reasons they wanted to get out of West Germany... they have no kind words for East Germans, and still call them Communists.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 4:20 pm to Lee B
That "new paradigm of global governance... a counter revolution from woke, globalist, facism, to more traditional family oriented values" mentioned would be the Metternich-Lindbergh theory mentioned in that article I posted... let Russia take Europe and China take the Pacific and the US focus on North America (from Alaska to Greenland - hey! - and Canada on down... with Central and South America being ruled by strongmen who are subservient to the US's strongman) all in the service of arresting social evolution away from "traditional family-oriented values" and thwarting democracy, which keeps ceding on that front on the public's whims.
So Puitin and Xi are good... at least they aren't "woke!" That's the real enemy! Not Autocracy and oppression...
The three regimes in charge of their sphere of influence - let's call them Eurasia, Eastasia, and Oceania featuring Airstrip One - can then focus their energies and power internally to make sure there's no threat to the Conservative social positions.
They can have fake wars in service to that... "Hey, we're at war with Eurasia!" "No, we've never been at war with Eurasia, we are at war with Eastasia!" because wars are the perfect excuse to crackdown on free speech and dissent internally. The wars don't have to actually happen if there's no independent media to report what's actually going on... (like Putin's claims of a new salient that isn't there at the moment)
It almost sounds like great fiction... with a cult-like leader who is all-powerful and must be obeyed and worshipped... with a catchy nickname... "Big Brother" sounds old and corny... I got it, "DADDY!!"
Sir WInston and Lima type out this dream scenario quite often here... some others suggest bits and pieces of it.
So Puitin and Xi are good... at least they aren't "woke!" That's the real enemy! Not Autocracy and oppression...
The three regimes in charge of their sphere of influence - let's call them Eurasia, Eastasia, and Oceania featuring Airstrip One - can then focus their energies and power internally to make sure there's no threat to the Conservative social positions.
They can have fake wars in service to that... "Hey, we're at war with Eurasia!" "No, we've never been at war with Eurasia, we are at war with Eastasia!" because wars are the perfect excuse to crackdown on free speech and dissent internally. The wars don't have to actually happen if there's no independent media to report what's actually going on... (like Putin's claims of a new salient that isn't there at the moment)
It almost sounds like great fiction... with a cult-like leader who is all-powerful and must be obeyed and worshipped... with a catchy nickname... "Big Brother" sounds old and corny... I got it, "DADDY!!"
Sir WInston and Lima type out this dream scenario quite often here... some others suggest bits and pieces of it.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 2/23/25 at 4:39 pm to Lee B
you are melting like such a hysterical bitch 
Posted on 2/23/25 at 4:55 pm to SirWinston
I just located Lee B.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 4:55 pm to Lee B
Posted on 2/23/25 at 5:02 pm to SirWinston
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you are melting like such a hysterical bitch
I'm far from melting... I'm just getting warmed up!
Posted on 2/23/25 at 5:30 pm to doubleb
I don't agree that Zelensky simply resigning is all that it would take, and think that should be obvious
Posted on 2/23/25 at 5:39 pm to VolSquatch
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I don't agree that Zelensky simply resigning is all that it would take, and think that should be obvious
Neither do I, but Putin and Trump painted him as a big obstacle to peace. Now that Zelensky has volunteered to resign to bring peace, they can’t make him the scapegoat anymore and the real talks can progress. No more blaming Z.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:15 pm to doubleb
ISW Update Feb 23 2025
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Key Takeaways:
US Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff referred to the early 2022 Istanbul protocols as offering "guideposts" for negotiations between Russia and Ukraine on February 23. An agreement based on those protocols would be a capitulation document.
Ukraine is unlikely to accept any peace agreement based on the Istanbul negotiations as such terms are effectively a full Ukrainian surrender to Russia's long-term war goals.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky continues to demonstrate his commitment to preserving Ukraine's democracy and a just resolution to the war.
Ukrainian officials continue to highlight Ukraine's domestic defense industry and domestically produced strike capabilities.
Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) CEO Kirill Dmitriev as Special Presidential Representative for Investment and Economic Cooperation with Foreign Countries on February 23.
Russian forces launched a record number of drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of February 22 to 23, ahead of the third anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24.
Russia appears to be relying more on Iran and North Korea to support its war in Ukraine.
Russian forces continue to execute Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) in clear violation of international law.
Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Toretsk and Russian forces recently advanced near Siversk, Pokrovsk, and Velyka Novosilka.
The Russian government continues efforts to increase its defense industrial output.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:26 pm to doubleb
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Now that Zelensky has volunteered to resign to bring peace, they can’t make him the scapegoat anymore and the real talks can progress. No more blaming Z.
He didn't just say that though, he threw the NATO bit in.
And we all know he has repeatedly said the only way there will be 'peace' is if he gets things Russia won't give him.
He's acting as if he is giving up something when he might not actually be doing that at all depending on his demands for it.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:44 pm to VolSquatch
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He didn't just say that though, he threw the NATO bit in.
He said he’d resign either way if that’s what it took. Peace of NATO.
quote]And we all know he has repeatedly said the only way there will be 'peace' is if he gets things Russia won't give him.[/quote]
That’s not what he said today.
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He's acting as if he is giving up something when he might not actually be doing that at all depending on his demands for it.
Again, he said he’d resign if it brought peace or if it got admitted to NATO.
And you are right, Putin isn’t negotiating a peace deal; nor is Trump letting him join NATO. Zekensky won’t be resigning any time soon, we both know that.
He’s just proving that all this talk about him being the reason for the war is pure propaganda.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:48 pm to doubleb
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Again, he said he’d resign if it brought peace
I know what he said.
What is his definition of peace?
If it involves getting his land back, that isn't happening. So if his version of peace that he would resign in exchange for isn't realistic, he's not really open to resigning for 'peace' then is he?
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:01 pm to Lee B
I think the "Trump is capitulating to Russia" narrative is pretty interesting. Could be true..I don't personally believe it is.
One thing we have to acknowledge that a lot of wannabe military analysts won't is that Russia and the US know more about the long term prospects of both sides in this war than anyone tweeting about looking at aerial imagery or coming through Russian economic data.
So once we acknowledge that truth, you get two possibilities here:
1. Ukraine is completely fricked if this keeps going
2. Ukraine isn't completely fricked, but it's going to be to be an attritional meat grinder with no end in sight
If it's the former Trump's proposed concessions are just realistic measures to end this. If it's the latter, then yeah he is giving up too much too soon.
I think it's the first, and I think there are a lot of tea leaves that lead me to that opinion, but I'm open to either.
One thing we have to acknowledge that a lot of wannabe military analysts won't is that Russia and the US know more about the long term prospects of both sides in this war than anyone tweeting about looking at aerial imagery or coming through Russian economic data.
So once we acknowledge that truth, you get two possibilities here:
1. Ukraine is completely fricked if this keeps going
2. Ukraine isn't completely fricked, but it's going to be to be an attritional meat grinder with no end in sight
If it's the former Trump's proposed concessions are just realistic measures to end this. If it's the latter, then yeah he is giving up too much too soon.
I think it's the first, and I think there are a lot of tea leaves that lead me to that opinion, but I'm open to either.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:09 pm to VolSquatch
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What is his definition of peace?
I know it’s complicated, but here is what Webster’s says;
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1. freedom from disturbance; tranquility: "you can while away an hour or two in peace and seclusion" Similar tranquility, calm, calmness, restfulness, peace and quiet, ... moreOpposite noise, irritation 2. a state or period in which there is no war or a war has ended:
It doesn’t say anything about getting land back, but you can continue to make up stuff if you so choose.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 12:25 am to Coeur du Tigre
Here's the projection for the new Bundestag coalition. This for the next four years.
The SPD - CDU/CSU group will carry an absolute majority of 328 votes, with 316 needed. By the way, there was an 82% turnout in yesterday's election. In February. Not bad.
The SPD - CDU/CSU group will carry an absolute majority of 328 votes, with 316 needed. By the way, there was an 82% turnout in yesterday's election. In February. Not bad.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 1:21 am to Coeur du Tigre
and I would guess the Greens (Grüne) will do as they usually do and partner with SPD, putting them in the coalition with the CDU/CSU... with the AfD serving as a mutual enemy and uniting force.
The CDU under Merkel had effectively drifted over to being centre-left... I wonder where exactly Merz will land it, especially since he's depending on the centre-left parties to form a governing coalition!
The CDU under Merkel had effectively drifted over to being centre-left... I wonder where exactly Merz will land it, especially since he's depending on the centre-left parties to form a governing coalition!
Posted on 2/24/25 at 4:04 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Chancellor Merz's election HQ staff were all watching Zelensky's televised speech
Were they laughing their asses off like the rest of us?
Posted on 2/24/25 at 4:09 am to Lee B
Michael McFaul is a professor at Stanford and former ambassador to Russia, and yet he still doesn't get what a dumb okie like me can clearly understand.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 4:12 am to doubleb
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Do he offers to resign and get out if the way. That’s not leverage, that’s putting the ball in someone else’s court.
He offered to resign for something unattainable. His offer is worthless.
Are you really that dense?
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