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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:23 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:28 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:09 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:10 am to
Is wondering why you can't answer a yes or no question trolling?
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:15 am to
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s wondering why you can't answer a yes or no question trolling?


Yes
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:19 am to
Rumor on X that Musk will shut down their access to Starlink

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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:37 am to
I still say Waltz needs to consult Wagner on how to strong arm a "minerals deal"

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:39 am to
Ukrainian crude oil sanctions expand overseas. Four tankers with Russian cargos have been damaged and put out of service in the last 11 days. They can run but they can't hide. -

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Three Russian shadow fleet oil tankers have been damaged by blasts in the last month in separate incidents around the Mediterranean, with the causes unknown - Reuters

An explosion caused a one-metre inward breach below the waterline on the hull of Greek-operated crude oil tanker Seajewel at a port in northern Italy on Saturday, one of the shipping sources said. A second blast occurred 20 minutes later on the same vessel without causing further damage.

Another vessel operated by Thenamaris, the crude oil tanker Seacharm, was also damaged by a blast off the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan in late January, two of the sources said.

In a third incident, the Liberia-flagged chemical and products tanker Grace Ferrum was damaged off Libya in February, three sources said, with one adding that the vessel would require a salvage operation.https://
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Also [In the fourth incident] on 9th of February 2025 Russian shadow fleet oil tanker suffered a similar incident in the Baltic Sea

Feb 9 KOALA Crude Oil Tanker, IMO 9234642 with 130,000 tons of Russian fuel oil is sinking in a port in the Leningrad region of Russia. Preliminary, several explosions occurred in the tanker's engine room, after which the vessel began to fill with water.


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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:14 am to
This is truly the greatest foreign policy blunder in US History. Biden/Nuland did nothing but make Russia stronger and bring them closer to our #1 threat China


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Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:23 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:30 am to
Posted by Camp Randall
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:51 am to
I know when I want the straight story I head over to twitter and go straight to Zerohedge.
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:55 am to
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Is wondering why you can't answer a yes or no question trolling?


Are you on the spectrum like Sir WInston? You seem to fixate and obsess over one tiny thing for months.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:02 pm to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:08 pm to
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Are you on the spectrum like Sir WInston? You seem to fixate and obsess over one tiny thing for months.



Is it really that tiny of thing that someone will refuse to answer a question based on ideological grounds?

If he actually thought Citizen was being truthful he would have simply said yes at the start.

But he doesn't want to say yes because he knows its ridiculous. Not one other poster has outright said they fully believe Citizen's claim, by the way. I'm not asking if you know its true for a fact, I'm simply asking what he believes.

So why won't he say no? Because Citizen is on his "team".

This perfectly highlights the groupthink, bordering on cult like behavior, by the Ukraine First crowd here.

But yeah, I'm the problem. Not someone who is unwilling and/or incapable of giving a yes or no answer.
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 12:16 pm
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:10 pm to
Make that five ships in the last 11 days -

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According to SHOT, the [Russian] dry cargo ship Pavel Grabovsky, carrying three thousand tons of corn, is sinking near the port of Azov after receiving a hole. The ship was moving from Rostov to the Turkish city of Samsun. The crew asked for permission to enter the port of Azov. This will only be possible after the water level rises.


Lots of cargo ships going to join the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Davy Jones is running out of parking spaces.

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Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:19 pm to
In WWII, the OSS and other Allied Intelligence agencies would tap the Italian Mafia and other organized crime organizations in Europe to carry out sabotage and assassinations against the NAZIs.

I have to wonder if the Russian Mafia isn't being paid to do some of this stuff, especially the assassinations in Moscow... but Putin has deep connections to the Russian Mafia so probably not... anti-Putin Russian Partisans just must be devoted and pretty good at it.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

I have to wonder if the Russian Mafia isn't being paid to do some of this stuff, especially the assassinations in Moscow... but Putin has deep connections to the Russian Mafia so probably not... anti-Putin Russian Partisans just must be devoted and pretty good at it.



Maybe they paid the Ghost of Kyiv, Sasquatch, and Nessy
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:39 pm to
looks like General Kellogg may have been muted....

Zelensky-Kellogg meeting ends with no joint statements at US request, spokesperson says

by Tim Zadorozhnyy February 20, 2025 8:21 PM

President Volodymyr Zelensky met with Keith Kellogg, U.S. President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine, in Kyiv on Feb. 20.

"We discussed in detail the situation on the battlefield and how to return all our POWs (prisoners of war), as well as effective security guarantees," the president said on Telegram after the meeting.

According to Zelensky, Ukraine is ready for a strong, beneficial agreement with the U.S. regarding investments and security. "We have proposed the quickest and most constructive way to achieve results," he said.

The meeting in Kyiv was expected to be followed by a press briefing, but Washington requested that no joint statements be made, Zelensky's spokesperson, Serhii Nykyforov, told reporters.

Kellogg's role in Trump's peace efforts remains unclear, as he was not involved in the Feb. 18 talks in Saudi Arabia. Some experts suggest he has been sidelined due to his perceived pro-Ukraine stance and alleged Russian objections to his participation.

The Kyiv Independent
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