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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:32 am to Chromdome35
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:32 am to Chromdome35
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Talk about stating the obvious...No shite Sherlock
Well you seemed to need your hand held to get there because you're still talking about how much Russia had in the first week or two, which is kind of an irrelevant number anyway.
A) that was years ago, and they don't have it anymore
B) The numbers are almost certainly fudged based on your definition of "control" of the land. I don't think Russia actually controlled all that much to begin with, but you can define it differently than I do and it really doesn't matter enough to warrant any discussion.
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:36 am to CitizenK
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What happens if Russia's economy collapses?
Y'all have been predicting this longer than that one poster was predicting Pokrovsk was going to fall imminently.
It'll be bad for Russia if it does happen. But I'm still waiting.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:38 am to VolSquatch
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51% of all of the territory that Russia initially captured
That's an odd number, isn't it?
Actually you are right. it is not 51%. It is 54% not 51%. I apologize for the error in my memory.
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Total territory occupied by Russia at some point since Feb. 24, 2022: 54,000 square miles.
Total territory reclaimed by Ukraine since Feb. 24, 2022: 29,000. 54% of total territory occupied by Russia.
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Exactly the right percentage to give people a talking point. I'm sure its just a coincidence
If you want to study the maps and dispute the number be my guest. I will take their word for it because I have better things to do than try and count sq km in Ukraine on a computer.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:42 am to VolSquatch
Have we talked about how massive Russia's gains last year were yet?
Russia spent an entire year and tens of thousands of dead plus well over 100,000 wounded to gain 0.5% of Ukraine. Despite what Sir Winston and the dumb son of an Arkansas whore (John Barron) say. Ukraine is not collapsing. The war is still a stalemate and I wish Rubio and Trump all the success in the world in finding a peace solution ASAP.
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Russian control of Ukrainian territory has increased from 17.4% in November 2023 to 17.9% as of 30 November 2024.
Russia spent an entire year and tens of thousands of dead plus well over 100,000 wounded to gain 0.5% of Ukraine. Despite what Sir Winston and the dumb son of an Arkansas whore (John Barron) say. Ukraine is not collapsing. The war is still a stalemate and I wish Rubio and Trump all the success in the world in finding a peace solution ASAP.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:48 am to VolSquatch
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Shortages of ammunition and vehicles were widely reported. Soldiers in Ukraine’s 33rd Separate Mechanized Brigade recalled battles in Avdiivka where they were outgunned and outnumbered. “What is 10 mortar shells for 24 hours? It’s nothing,” said a serviceman known as Beekeeper.
Ukrainian officials had warned Washington about their dwindling supplies. By early December 2024, only 30% of promised U.S. armored vehicles had arrived, according to congressional aides and U.S. officials.
While congressional opposition from former President Donald Trump and Republican lawmakers stalled a $60 billion Ukraine aid package for months, the slowdown continued even after the funding was approved in April 2024. The Biden administration’s aid announcements in the latter half of the year were framed as a surge, but a Reuters analysis found that the average monthly shipments only returned to pre-2024 levels.
Internal disagreements within the Biden administration further complicated the process. Concerns over escalation led to restrictions on Ukraine’s ability to use U.S. weapons to strike inside Russia. Some officials, including National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, pushed for immediate shipments, even diverting air defense systems from other U.S. allies to Ukraine. Others, including Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, worried about depleting American stockpiles and provoking a response from Moscow.
Why weren't stories like these coming out last year when it could have actually helped? Just another example of Ukraine getting f**ked by the Biden administration and the media covering for them.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:48 am to VolSquatch
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I think the more relevant point is "what will Russia end up with once the conflict ends" and the answer is "more than they had when it began" which is bad for Ukraine
You do realize it can be bad for Ukraine(losing territory) and bad for Russia(losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, billions in gold, treasure and equipment, and status in the world hierarchy).
When this is all over I believe it will be seen as a huge waste and a lose/lose for both sides.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:57 am to WeeWee
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worried about depleting American stockpiles
This is a legitimate concern. The war has shown how quickly armies chew through munitions. I was making posts about the decline in US defense manufacturing and how the war exposed our complete lack of preparation for a real war in the spring of 2022.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 10:32 am to WeeWee
Well Wee Wee there is always that one person who is like....
And then Lot was warned to take his wife and flee from the city.
She turned around and became a pillar of salt.
"What about the flea?"
And then Lot was warned to take his wife and flee from the city.
She turned around and became a pillar of salt.
"What about the flea?"
Posted on 2/4/25 at 10:37 am to VolSquatch
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I think the more relevant point is "what will Russia end up with once the conflict ends" and the answer is "more than they had when it began" which is bad for Ukraine
Let's see, what will Russia end up with?
* a long border with NATO-member Finland instead of neutral Finland;
* Sweden as a NATO member instead of neutral;
* Russia's economy set back a generation or more by wartime losses and expenditures, sanctions, and the flight of many of its more capable citizens;
* a much smaller if any European market for its gas and oil;
* maybe 100,000 or more of its people killed and probably twice that many with serious permanent disabilities;
* an International Criminal Court warrant for its head (Putin); and
* currently, a total of about 20% of Ukraine.
Clearly Ukraine has also suffered terrible losses. But Ukraine didn't invade Russia, Russia invaded Ukraine. So maybe the key questions are:
(1) should Russia have invaded Ukraine / was the invasion a net benefit to Russia?
(2) Should Ukraine have fought against Russia's invasion / was resisting Russia a net benefit for Ukraine?
Sounds to me like a disaster for Russia, and a very painful but necessary course of action for Ukraine.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 10:44 am to CitizenK
You NAFO Fellas are a weird bunch 
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:19 am to doubleb
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You do realize it can be bad for Ukraine(losing territory) and bad for Russia(losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, billions in gold, treasure and equipment, and status in the world hierarchy).
I didn't say it would be good for Russia
Russia has been dealt significant economic damage that will take years to repair. Its military will have to rebuilt (though in the future this could help them potentially). Its reputation is shattered for the foreseeable future.
I will say at least the reputation bit is tied directly to Putin though, and he is out relatively soon regardless one way or another and someone else with a "fresh" slate will come in.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:21 am to cypher
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:23 am to WeeWee
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If you want to study the maps and dispute the number be my guest. I will take their word for it because I have better things to do than try and count sq km in Ukraine on a computer.
I said this in another comment, I just don't think the issue is that important.
I made the 51% comment because think Ukraine is being loose with their definition of what Russia actually 'controlled' in the early weeks of the war to make it look like they retook more land than they actually did. No harm or shame in that, just an observation. And I also said the definition of "control" in a military sense can be pretty broad, which makes the claims more meaningless.
If the % were exactly 51%, it would be a little too on-the-nose in terms of my hypothesis
As one poster says in regards to the Kursk operation I say about Russia, "I don't think them capturing a bunch of trees in the first week of the war matters all that much either way".
Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:25 am to NOLATiger163
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Let's see, what will Russia end up with?
You literally can't analyze anything about Ukraine's prospects or results without multiple posters going "BUT BUT BUT BUT RUSSIA..."
Its almost exhausting.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:18 pm to VolSquatch
quote:quote:You literally can't analyze anything about Ukraine's prospects or results without multiple posters going "BUT BUT BUT BUT RUSSIA..." Its almost exhausting.
Let's see, what will Russia end up with?
That Ukraine is likely to end up with less territory than it started with--the statement of your earlier post, to which I replied--does not provide any new information or raise any useful or informative point. It's almost exhausting.
The more informative considerations include whether Russia and/or Putin should look at how things have gone, and ask itself / himself, 'Was this a good idea? Is it working out well for us / me? Would we / I be better off pressing forward, or trying to dial all this back?'
As it stands, Ukraine has almost no ability to unilaterally end the war without something approaching complete capitulation to Russia. Doing that would make little sense for Ukraine, and IMO would be a net detriment for Ukraine and its people. On the other hand, Russia has massive ability to unilaterally end the war, certainly by going back to the January 2022 borders but very likely even by agreeing to the current front lines as the new borders, with some trading for the Russian territory that Ukraine now controls, and by giving up ambitions to dictate Ukraine's political future (Zelensky or someone else, EU or not, at some point NATO or not). IMO such actions from Russia would be a net benefit for Russia and its people--for Putin, maybe not, which is really the key driver: what's best for Putin may well not be what's best for Russia, hence the parties' current positions and actions.
So quit yourself being exhausting and post about something relevant, or don't post.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:28 pm to VolSquatch
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You literally can't analyze anything about Ukraine's prospects or results without multiple posters going "BUT BUT BUT BUT RUSSIA..."
From day one Ukrsine was a loser. That was true in 2014 and again in 2022.
The fact that in 2025 Ukraine is still a strong opponent and Russia is still besting their heads against the wall with only slow movement is a huge surprise.
It’s hard to discuss the big picture without discussing the two opponents.
Thee we fate of Ukraine will be determine by the outcome of this war and future wars with Russia. You have to talk about both nations to make any sense of things.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:37 pm to doubleb
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It’s hard to discuss the big picture without discussing the two opponents.
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two opponents.
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two
I agree, hence my post. Lets discuss both.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:38 pm to VolSquatch
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I agree, hence my post. Lets discuss both.
I believe I do.
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:43 pm to doubleb
We are rapidly approaching the 3 year anniversary of Russia's 3 day Special Military Operation. Wow how successful Russia has been!
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:47 pm to NOLATiger163
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So quit yourself being exhausting and post about something relevant, or don't post.
Your last 3 posts in this thread are calling for the censorship of other posters, and rushing to white knight because someone didn't suck Ukraine off enough
When you figure out what 'relevant' means get back with me bud.
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