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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:46 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:46 pm to
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Why does Ukraine have so many Nazis?


Ukraine uses NAZI symbols not to honor Hitler or any of the other scumbags from the 1930s and 1940s. They use NAZI symbols because they associate them with being anti-Russian.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:52 pm to
At first the war started because of NATO
Then it was the Nazis
Then we heard about the bio labs
Now it’s because Putin is trying to protect Ukrainians?

It’s the cause du jour.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Tie


So you’re saying Russians are the same as Nazi Germany?

I’d love to hear your reasoning
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:55 pm to
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Ukraine uses NAZI symbols not to honor Hitler or any of the other scumbags from the 1930s and 1940s. They use NAZI symbols because they associate them with being anti-Russian.


Humans are screwy... every country has neo-NAZIs that have adopted the imagery and "Nationalism" part to localized clashes.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:56 pm to
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So you’re saying Russians are the same as Nazi Germany?


Of course they aren’t the same.

Look from a Ukrainian’s perspective. Russian ruthlessness by Stalin and his Commies killed millions of Ukrainians before the Nazis ever invaded Ukraine.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

So you’re saying Russians are the same as Nazi Germany?

I’d love to hear your reasoning


To Ukrainians at the moment? To Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Romanians?

Yep, they are...

To the corpses of people in Bucha?

Yep, they are...

I'd like to hear your reasoning as to how they aren't
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:00 pm to
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Look from a Ukrainian’s perspective. Russian ruthlessness by Stalin and his Commies killed millions of Ukrainians before the Nazis ever invaded Ukraine.


And let's not forget that Stalin and Hitler were partners at the outset of WWII... Hitler just got impatient and invaded Russia sooner rather than later, as he'd planned.



Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:20 pm to
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Ukraine uses NAZI symbols not to honor Hitler or any of the other scumbags from the 1930s and 1940s. They use NAZI symbols because they associate them with being anti-Russian.


The symbols predated even a unified Germany, much less Hitler.

Swastikas were on all Lunkenheimer (US OEM) valve made long before Hitler was an ejaculation and an egg. It was a sign of excellence.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:36 pm to
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Especially the last sentence. Is that your stance for every country?


Ukrainian nationalism will probably always be tied up with the Germans. The German created modern Ukraine at the end of WW1 when they established their client state there. And if that didn’t make the linkage permanent, WW2 did.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:50 pm to
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Ukrainian nationalism will probably always be tied up with the Germans. The German created modern Ukraine at the end of WW1 when they established their client state there. And if that didn’t make the linkage permanent, WW2 did.


Really, you have no idea of Ukrainian history, about the Holdomor, the Iron Curtain, Ukrainians that fought with Russia in WWII, and Stalin’s ruthlessness.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:54 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 3:02 pm to
Zelensky knows Trump's plan and likes it
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 3:10 pm to
So, for our Russia Bros here, I have some great news: Israel is sending its Patriot missile systems and all of its spare missiles to Ukraine. Israel is fully transitioning to an Iron Dome system and no longer needs the Patriots. This is all being facilitated by the Trump administration.

There have already been three US planes that have flown to Israel and picked up Patriot systems and missiles to take them to Ukraine.

Story:

quote:

The flights carried around 90 interceptors, which Ukraine can use with its current batteries. Additional equipment, like radars and other gear, will first be transferred to the U.S. to be refurbished.




LINK
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 3:22 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 3:29 pm to
Military aid has not been suspended.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

This is all being facilitated by the Trump administration.


If Daddy says it's okay than I fully support it.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:50 pm to
Eastern Ukrainians are more likely to favour Russia and have family in Russia while western Ukrainians and residents of Kiev have been German-facing
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 4:51 pm
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:53 pm to
There are parts of Eastern Ukraine that want to be part of Russia. And currently they are part of Russia and likely will remain part of Russia.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 4:57 pm to
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There are parts of Eastern Ukraine that want to be part of Russia. And currently they are part of Russia and likely will remain part of Russia.


If we are talking about the cities of Luhansk and Donetsk, then yes, the people currently living there mostly want to stay with Russia. That's what happens when everyone who wants to live in Ukraine has to flee from their homes after an invasion and Russia imports thousands of Russians to live in their homes.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 5:01 pm to
quote:


So, for our Russia Bros here, I have some great news: Israel is sending its Patriot missile systems and all of its spare missiles to Ukraine. Israel is fully transitioning to an Iron Dome system and no longer needs the Patriots. This is all being facilitated by the Trump administration.

There have already been three US planes that have flown to Israel and picked up Patriot systems and missiles to take them to Ukraine.


If all of Israel's Patriot systems and missiles end up going to Ukraine, then the Trump administration will have engineered about $10 Billion worth of aid to Ukraine without the USA having to give or spend anything.

It's worth noting that work on this deal was started by the Biden administration, but it's Trump's people who are completing it.

And, yes, I know that we are indirectly funding this through the aid that we give to Israel -- that's what makes this so beautiful.
Posted by John Barron
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Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 5:37 pm to
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