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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:03 pm to
They want everyone they argue with to be a caricature of something they created in their own heads
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:05 pm to
Here is a larger view of that area to help provide context

Right click / View in tab to zoom in
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:06 pm to
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There is very little threat that Ukraine is going to get rolled up by Russia. 


There is nothing but open fields after Pokrovsk. Collapses in War usually happen quickly after certain points.


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Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:10 pm to
The information contained in the map is very interesting, but they very clearly need someone with GIS experience to help them design their products to make them look a little better

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:10 pm to
And what armored/mechanized divisions does Russia have available to exploit a breakthrough?

The reality is they don't have any; Ukraine will fall back to the next line of defense, and Russia will take another 3 months to move forward again. Rinse and repeat.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:11 pm to
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They want everyone they argue with to be a caricature of something they created in their own heads


I think it is Projection by them. They think everything Trump says I am going to agree with whether its factual or not That is exactly how the NAFO Fellas behave.
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Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:13 pm to
These maps are perfect for the information they are meant to convey.

Since the start of the war, these have been the best maps available to the public.

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Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:17 pm to
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I think it is Projection by them. They think everything Trump says I am going to agree with whether its factual or not That is the exactly how the NAFO Fellas behave.


It is not projection. It is calling out your position that Trumps comments on the Ukraine war are wrong. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you are just a random dude posting on a message board (like the rest of us) saying that the President of the US doesn't know what he's talking about.

Sorry, but I believe Trump over you.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:20 pm to
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And what armored/mechanized divisions does Russia have available to exploit a breakthrough


Currently Russia has more troops now in Ukraine than at the start of the War. Not sure where you are getting your info from.

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Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:24 pm to
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from MarketWatch....

Trump says he will ask OPEC, Saudi Arabia to lower oil prices

Speaking remotely to the World Economic Forum annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland, President Donald Trump said he would ask Saudi Arabia and the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, or OPEC, to lower oil prices.

Trump said he was disappointed they hadn't acted already, arguing that doing so would have pressured Russia to end its war in Ukraine.


I don't trust OPEC and Saudi Arabia to follow through and keep this pressure on...

at the end of the day, Saudi Arabia is an Autocracy, and one under internal threat... nobody wants to be the last standing Autocracy, so while they might be on "team good guy" a bit, they also don't want to see Putin toppled. They want to help anything that ultimately weakens their biggest enemy - Iran - but they also have self-preservation in mind and that means not being the last non-Democratic power that suddenly get focused on,,,
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:26 pm to
The number of troops in the country has no impact on their ability to exploit a breakthrough. You have to have mobility to do that.

Germany didn't execute blitzkrieg by walking infantry; they used armor, mechanized infantry, and air superiority to achieve rapid advances. Russia has demonstrated repeatedly in this war that they can't execute mechanized warfare...they aren't going to magically start now.
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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:27 pm to
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I am 100% MAGA/Trump. That doesn't mean everything thing he says is factual


Z ready to negotiate per Trump who communicates with Z, but JB says he’s wrong???

It seems to me that your disagreements with Trump are based solely on your obvious support of Russia and Putin. You profess to be objective and report all the facts, but all you do is make it appear that Russia is sbout to March into Kiev and Odessa any minute.

Your so called coverage is totally slanted one way and you dismiss any positive news from the Ukraine side and you even dismiss most of what Trump, who you say you support, says about the war.

Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:27 pm to
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It is not projection. It is calling out your position that Trumps comments on the Ukraine war are wrong.


You think 800k casualties is 100% accurate?

I appreciate when people who clearly like a politician say they disagree with them on something. Its a sign of objectivity.

Meanwhile certain posters will disagree with anything that isn't positive news for Ukraine.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:31 pm to
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You think 800k casualties is 100% accurate?


Of course it isn't 100% accurate, but I do think it's probably close to the real number, which is the point.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:32 pm to
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Sorry, but I believe Trump over you.


Then you don't know how Trump negotiates. He always exaggerates numbers to try and gain a better negotiating position. Just like yesterday when he said $500 billion for the Stargate Project, that has been proven a lie and called out by Elon Musk himself. I already told you there is no possible way Ukraine or Russia has lost KIA/WIA close to 800k troops. This War would be over if those numbers are accurate. You are not going to Gaslight me and say "But Trump said It" and that makes it factual
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:34 pm to
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blitzkrieg


Tangent from Big Serge’s substack, this is not something I knew until I read this, but it’s not a word the Germans used

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At last, we come to Blitzkrieg. If ever there was a word which has bedeviled historians, it was this. In relatively short order, “Blitzkrieg” or “Lightning War” became the standard western parlance for the Wehrmacht’s mobile operations, and has since metastasized into a general synonym for maneuver warfare of any kind. And yet, the origin of the word itself seems to be largely an invention of western press, attempting to explain Germany’s sequence of rapid victories. The word does not appear in German military texts, handbooks, or operational drafts. Hitler decried it as “a completely idiotic word”, and Heinz Guderian dismissed it as a sloppy attempt by Germany’s enemies to explain their successes.


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The German officer corps in World War Two conceived of their operational art not as some entirely new form of war-making, but as a restoration and enhancement of their characteristically mobile and aggressive operations through technical, tactical, and organizational enhancements.


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Germany had an idealized form of warfare that they had never been quite able to fully realize - what they called “Bewegungskrieg”, or “Movement War”. The aspiration was to achieve genuine annihilation battles against operational targets (large enemy units like corps and field armies). They had glimpsed the ideal at Sedan in 1870, when Moltke had surrounded and destroyed an entire French army, but later attempts to duplicate the feat had failed.


The Russian are fighting in the most economical way possible, leveraging their advantage in firepower and doing their best to minimize their own losses

It’s just intelligent. At some point the Ukrainians will crack the way the Germans did on the Western Front, or the way Lees forces did at the end.
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Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:35 pm to
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You are not going to Gaslight me and say "But Trump said It" and that makes it factual


Oh the irony and you don't even see it.

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I already told you there is no possible way Ukraine or Russia has lost KIA/WIA close to 800k troops. This War would be over if those numbers are accurate.


Please explain why would the war be over if those numbers were accurate.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:36 pm to
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Germany will have that Russian gas flowing before the ink is dry on Ukraine.


That gas stopped flowing on Nordstream before it was blown. Russians couldn't maintain natural gas integrity and crashed the compressors weeks earlier
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 12:37 pm to
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You think 800k casualties is 100% accurate? I appreciate when people who clearly like a politician say they disagree with them on something. Its a sign of objectivity. Meanwhile certain posters will disagree with anything that isn't positive news for Ukraine.


I think 800K for Rusdia and 700 K casaualtues for Ukrsine after three years of heavy fighting is reasonable. You?

Btw, I don’t believe that is good news for Ukrsine. The defender needs to do better than an 8 to 7 ratio. I suspect thd fsiled Ukrsinianian offense contributed to some of that as well as the Rusdian superiority in artillery and bigger missiles.
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