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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:44 am to cypher
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:44 am to cypher
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‘Not a good idea’ — Trump's peace envoy nominee criticizes Russian general assassination.
Hate to stir up the Political Board visitors, but did Fox News ask Kellogg what he thought about the assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani? No...? Shame, I guess that wasn't on the supplied script.
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Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:45 am to Lee B
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Only Iranian Generals should be assassinated?
Sorry Lee, you beat me to it.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:48 am to Coeur du Tigre
quote:
Hate to stir up the Political Board visitors, but did Fox News ask Kellogg what he thought about the assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani? No...? Shame, I guess that wasn't on the supplied script.
I would have liked to hear his honest opinion on it.
Granted, there are some key differences between the two.
Namely, the capability of the country whose general just got the axe to respond to the assassination, and Solemani was killed via drone out of country vs the Russian douchebag spontaneously combusted in Moscow.
But at least on the former point Russia has already taken the deny, deny, deny route, so I doubt they use that as justification for anything militarily.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:31 am to VolSquatch
Oil refinery in Russia’s Rostov region struck with Ukrainian-made missiles and drones - source
19.12.2024 11:32
JSC Novoshakhtinsk Oil Products Plant in Russia’s Rostov region was attacked with Ukrainian-produced missiles and UAVs.
A source in the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) confirmed this information to Ukrinform.
“Today's special operation was carried out using unmanned aerial vehicles and missiles produced in Ukraine. This once again proves the effectiveness and power of Ukrainian weapons. This includes its ability to destroy enemy logistics working for the war in Ukraine,” the source said.
The attack on the oil refinery resulted in a large-scale fire. The damage was caused to the ELOU-AVT-2.5 unit, designed to produce liquefied petroleum gases. Preliminary information confirms that the joint operation of the SBU and the Navy caused significant damage to the oil refinery's production facilities.
As Ukrinform reported, last night, the Ukrainian Navy and the Security Service of Ukraine, in cooperation with other components of the Defense Forces of Ukraine, struck the infrastructure and production facilities of the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery in Russia’s Rostov region. A fire broke out at the refinery following a drone attack.
Ukrinform
19.12.2024 11:32
JSC Novoshakhtinsk Oil Products Plant in Russia’s Rostov region was attacked with Ukrainian-produced missiles and UAVs.
A source in the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) confirmed this information to Ukrinform.
“Today's special operation was carried out using unmanned aerial vehicles and missiles produced in Ukraine. This once again proves the effectiveness and power of Ukrainian weapons. This includes its ability to destroy enemy logistics working for the war in Ukraine,” the source said.
The attack on the oil refinery resulted in a large-scale fire. The damage was caused to the ELOU-AVT-2.5 unit, designed to produce liquefied petroleum gases. Preliminary information confirms that the joint operation of the SBU and the Navy caused significant damage to the oil refinery's production facilities.
As Ukrinform reported, last night, the Ukrainian Navy and the Security Service of Ukraine, in cooperation with other components of the Defense Forces of Ukraine, struck the infrastructure and production facilities of the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery in Russia’s Rostov region. A fire broke out at the refinery following a drone attack.
Ukrinform
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:32 am to Lee B
quote:
Only Iranian Generals should be assassinated?
Which one of those generals was responsible for killing Americans? Sorry that two of our leftist Trotskyites have heartburn over this, but American soldiers are higher on my caring list than Ukrainians.
And I have no problem with the Russian scumbag getting taken out.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 7:35 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:37 am to cypher
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
19 December 2024
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) troops are currently engaged in offensive combat operations against Ukrainian forces in Kursk Oblast, Russia. DPRK troops have highly likely sustained significant combat casualties but so far only achieved tactical gains. Around 11,000 DPRK combat troops have deployed to the Kursk region.
Russian and DPRK forces are almost certainly experiencing interoperability difficulties. The two forces do not share a common language and DPRK troops almost certainly have difficulties integrating into Russia's command and control structure.
Russia and DPRK have deepened their bilateral partnership with the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Treaty, which includes a mutual defence clause, taking effect from 4 December 2024. For Russia, DPRK's military support to their war in Ukraine has highly likely been the core driver for the partnership and has until recently, centred around North Korea's provision of arms. In return, DPRK has received high level international support from Russia and has secured a trading partner willing to break sanctions.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
19 December 2024
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) troops are currently engaged in offensive combat operations against Ukrainian forces in Kursk Oblast, Russia. DPRK troops have highly likely sustained significant combat casualties but so far only achieved tactical gains. Around 11,000 DPRK combat troops have deployed to the Kursk region.
Russian and DPRK forces are almost certainly experiencing interoperability difficulties. The two forces do not share a common language and DPRK troops almost certainly have difficulties integrating into Russia's command and control structure.
Russia and DPRK have deepened their bilateral partnership with the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Treaty, which includes a mutual defence clause, taking effect from 4 December 2024. For Russia, DPRK's military support to their war in Ukraine has highly likely been the core driver for the partnership and has until recently, centred around North Korea's provision of arms. In return, DPRK has received high level international support from Russia and has secured a trading partner willing to break sanctions.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:07 am to cypher
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JSC Novoshakhtinsk Oil Products Plant in Russia’s Rostov region was attacked with Ukrainian-produced missiles and UAVs.
This is said to be the only refinery still operating in the Rostov region.
It's not that large and is not a complex refinery as we are used to seeing in the USA. On par, in capacity, with Alon, Krotz Springs (aka Crotch Springs for its infamous speed trap), LA before if was Alon and new units were built with a modernization program 20 years ago.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:09 am to Coeur du Tigre
Sounds like Kellogg’s opinion on the matter is just a window dressing, after the fact.
The thing to remember regarding Trump’s administration is that they have established that their words mean absolutely nothing.
That way they can change their mind at any moment.
The thing to remember regarding Trump’s administration is that they have established that their words mean absolutely nothing.
That way they can change their mind at any moment.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:03 am to AU86
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Sorry that two of our leftist Trotskyites have heartburn over this, but American soldiers are higher on my caring list than Ukrainians.
They just fundamentally don't understand how someone would be concerned with their own country first and foremost.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:24 am to VolSquatch
Zelenskyy on Putin's proposal of a "duel" between Oreshnik missile and Ukraine's air defence: We are dealing with mentally unstable people
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Thursday, 19 December 2024, 16:07
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reacted to Russian leader Vladimir Putin's proposal for a technological experiment in which the West and Ukraine can decide on a target in Kyiv for a Russian Oreshnik missile strike and then try to intercept the Russian missile, noting that these are the words of a mentally unstable person.
Source: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at a press conference in Brussels
Quote from Zelenskyy: "Do you see who we are dealing with? Today, the Kremlin's ‘comrade’ said that Russia is offering a technological duel. He [Putin] said: ‘We'll hit Kyiv with the Oreshnik missile somewhere and [Ukraine] can try to intercept it. And let's see what happens.’ Do you think this is a mentally stable person? They are just mental."
Ukrainska Pravda
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Thursday, 19 December 2024, 16:07
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reacted to Russian leader Vladimir Putin's proposal for a technological experiment in which the West and Ukraine can decide on a target in Kyiv for a Russian Oreshnik missile strike and then try to intercept the Russian missile, noting that these are the words of a mentally unstable person.
Source: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at a press conference in Brussels
Quote from Zelenskyy: "Do you see who we are dealing with? Today, the Kremlin's ‘comrade’ said that Russia is offering a technological duel. He [Putin] said: ‘We'll hit Kyiv with the Oreshnik missile somewhere and [Ukraine] can try to intercept it. And let's see what happens.’ Do you think this is a mentally stable person? They are just mental."
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:24 am to AGGIES
quote:
The thing to remember regarding Trump’s administration is that they have established that their words mean absolutely nothing.
If people actually pay attention to what Trump says in full rather than news clips, they do mean something. There is always a caveat.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:47 am to VolSquatch
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They just fundamentally don't understand how someone would be concerned with their own country first and foremost.
When asked Comrade how can we say this is true? Leon Trosky responded:
"Paper will put up with anything you put on it."
This failed American foreign policy of endless wars and nation building that has cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars and makes the MIC and politicians rich persists and is supported by many.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 9:51 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:01 am to AU86
quote:What did Trotsky say about reading comprehension?
When asked Comrade how can we say this is true? Leon Trosky [sic] responded: "Paper will put up with anything you put on it".
Posted on 12/19/24 at 11:52 am to VolSquatch
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They just fundamentally don't understand how someone would be concerned with their own country first and foremost.
When your main concern is Ukraine and not Americans. You’re just a fricking loser.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:57 pm to VolSquatch
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Who else are we teaching then? Be specific, if that is even possible for you. The only country that has both the desire and capability to do something like this is China.
The reason so few countries have the capability to fight a war is because of the American world order. Military strength is consolidated into a singular super power who provides security guarantees. That’s the whole thesis of our foreign policy. It’s why a nation like Venezuela can’t become belligerent with its neighbors.
It has worked pretty well. If America can no longer play its role, each nation will build up its arms. Overtime, this will lead to more border disputes turning hit and regional wars in the 21st century.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:26 pm to VolSquatch
quote:
quote:
Hate to stir up the Political Board visitors, but did Fox News ask Kellogg what he thought about the assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani? No...? Shame, I guess that wasn't on the supplied script.
I would have liked to hear his honest opinion on it.
Granted, there are some key differences between the two.
Namely, the capability of the country whose general just got the axe to respond to the assassination, and Solemani was killed via drone out of country vs the Russian douchebag spontaneously combusted in Moscow.
But at least on the former point Russia has already taken the deny, deny, deny route, so I doubt they use that as justification for anything militarily.
Me, too...
only assassinate people weaker than you are is a strange stance
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:43 pm to ned nederlander
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The reason so few countries have the capability to fight a war is because of the American world order. Military strength is consolidated into a singular super power who provides security guarantees. That’s the whole thesis of our foreign policy. It’s why a nation like Venezuela can’t become belligerent with its neighbors.
It has worked pretty well. If America can no longer play its role, each nation will build up its arms. Overtime, this will lead to more border disputes turning hit and regional wars in the 21st century.
Yep.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:55 pm to ned nederlander
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Military strength is consolidated into a singular super power who provides security guarantees.
And Russia invaded Ukraine anyway, despite our security "guarantees" which weren't really guarantees.
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It has worked pretty well. If America can no longer play its role, each nation will build up its arms. Overtime, this will lead to more border disputes turning hit and regional wars in the 21st century.
This highlights the problem with that policy... what happens when a larger country calls your bluff? Sure, the US has helped Ukraine stay in this fight WAY longer than most would have predicted. But the end result will be roughly the same as it would have been if a deal had happened in 2022 or possibly not even as good at this point. So the best case is that we failed but we also made Russia struggle some?
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:58 pm to Lee B
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only assassinate people weaker than you are is a strange stance
Thats not a personal stance, that's a reality.
Would you feel more comfortable punching Steve Buscemi or prime Mike Tyson?
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:29 pm to VolSquatch
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This highlights the problem with that policy... what happens when a larger country calls your bluff? Sure, the US has helped Ukraine stay in this fight WAY longer than most would have predicted. But the end result will be roughly the same as it would have been if a deal had happened in 2022 or possibly not even as good at this point. So the best case is that we failed but we also made Russia struggle some?
WRONG
This is a terrible analysis. The changed resulting from Ukraine’s rugged defense and the ancillary effects will be felt for years.
And comparing the mythical 2022 deal to a mythical 2025 deal is ludicrous. There is nothing written in stone to compare.
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