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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/25/24 at 5:18 pm to doubleb
Posted on 11/25/24 at 5:18 pm to doubleb
quote:Good God Almighty fellow.
If I were Putin I would have picked up the phone and spoke directly with Obama as to the NATO question. I don’t believe we ever intended to take them in,
That is basically what happened when Gorbachev/Shevardnadze were given "swear-no-fingers-crossed-sugar-on-top" assurance by Bush/Baker that NATO would . . . n e v e r . . . e v e r . . . expand into ex-Warsaw Pact territories.
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 5:20 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:GOOD!!!!
Trump’s newly appointed counterterrorism adviser Sebastian Gorka calls Putin a “thug” and says Trump plans to end the Ukraine war by threatening to flood Ukraine with military aid, making current U.S. support look like “peanuts”
Whatever ends this atrocity.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 5:31 pm to NC_Tigah
Trump has stated this on numerous occasions. This is nothing new
Posted on 11/25/24 at 5:53 pm to CitizenK
quote:Trump has stated many things ... the Art of the Deal is nearly 40 yrs old
Trump has stated this on numerous occasions. This is nothing new
Posted on 11/25/24 at 6:33 pm to doubleb
quote:
It could have been avoided in 2014, but Putin saw an opportunity snd took it. A weak POTUS, Ukraine in turmoil, and a plan already drawn up and Putin pounced.
Yeah, that’s the truth.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 6:46 pm to NC_Tigah
The Liz/Bill/John.Bolton types are now putting all of their hope into a man that they ridiculed on here and didn't/wouldn't even vote for.
Shameful Johnny Come Lately's.
The OT Ukraine Warriors will utilize all avenues and will never surrender as long as their keyboards exist!!!!!!
Shameful Johnny Come Lately's.
The OT Ukraine Warriors will utilize all avenues and will never surrender as long as their keyboards exist!!!!!!
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
If you think that our government is fundamentally evil, then you hate your country and are anti-American trash. Period.
That might be the most BS government boot licking crap I’ve ever come across on this site. Exactly how do I hate my country for believing many people inside our government are looking out for themselves, and those same people don’t give a damn about the average citizen. If anyone is Anti-American trash, it’s the people that go lock-step with the government without questioning anything. The US Government should fear the people that put them in Washington, not the other way around.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:19 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
The Kharkiv Pact extended the Russian lease on Sevastopol naval facilities until 2042. In return, Ukraine received discounts on Russian natural gas. Kharkiv did not permanently cede the naval bases to Russia (hence the term "lease"). Nor was the agreement conducted with any understanding that said Russian lease payments would ever supply NATO.
So the lease expired in 2042 so Putin had to invade in 2014? So just like I said, Putin saw an opportunity to ignore the Budapest agreement and take all of Crimea.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:26 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
That is basically what happened when Gorbachev/Shevardnadze were given "swear-no-fingers-crossed-sugar-on-top" assurance by Bush/Baker that NATO would . . . n e v e r . . . e v e r . . . expand into ex-Warsaw Pact territories.
All that talk was regarding Germany. There were no talks about the itinerary curtain countries or Ukraine. There is no such agreement.
And NATO still isn’t close to admitting Ukraine.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:48 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:the west literally broke a treaty and these LARPERs still dont think putin is within his rights
That is basically what happened when Gorbachev/Shevardnadze were given "swear-no-fingers-crossed-sugar-on-top" assurance by Bush/Baker that NATO would . . . n e v e r . . . e v e r . . . expand into ex-Warsaw Pact territories.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:53 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
the west literally broke a treaty
What treaty did the west break? Can you link it?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:56 pm to WeeWee
He is being sarcastic.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:00 pm to WeeWee
WestCoastAg still catching people with his antics.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:08 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
the west literally broke a treaty and these LARPERs still dont think putin is within his rights
Nope
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:08 pm to WestCoastAg
The Poli Board taught me that a "swear-no-fingers-crossed-sugar-on-top" assurance = treaty.
ETA: So are Putin's "red lines".
ETA: So are Putin's "red lines".
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:18 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
The Kharkiv Pact extended the Russian lease on Sevastopol naval facilities until 2042. In return, Ukraine received discounts on Russian natural gas. Kharkiv did not permanently cede the naval bases to Russia (hence the term "lease"). Nor was the agreement conducted with any understanding that said Russian lease payments would ever supply NATO.
The original reasoning for the 25 year extension (the original lease from the division of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet expired in 2017) was to give Russia build a major port and naval base in Novorosiya. However, Putin decided that it would be cheaper to steal Crimea. This whole war is a result of that decision that Putin made in late 2013 or early 2014. All those deaths that NC_Tigah is upset over are because of Putin. Also this conflict didn’t end in April 2022 because Putin rejected the peace deal.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:32 pm to WeeWee
quote:
However, Putin decided that it would be cheaper to steal Crimea. This whole war is a result of that decision that Putin made in late 2013 or early 2014. All those deaths that NC_Tigah is upset over are because of Putin. Also this conflict didn’t end in April 2022 because Putin rejected the peace deal.
Don’t forget about the weak Presidential Administration that was in power in America, the same administration that made jokes about Russia not being a threat. Russia was doing its thing, while that administration was in the process of creating ISIS.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:36 pm to WeeWee
The great Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn absolutely savage you shitlibs and neocon chicken hawks in tonight's outstanding programme.
Enjoy
Enjoy
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:53 pm to WeeWee
quote:
. All those deaths that NC_Tigah is upset over are because of Putin. Also this conflict didn’t end in April 2022 because Putin rejected the peace deal.
How can you get a peace deal that can be enforced with a Putin? He breaks agreements all the time,
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:00 pm to SirWinston
I wonder how much trouble Putins Government would be in if American tax payer money disappeared? These people are alive and able to post sarcastic arse videos, where they talk down to Americans because of our money and weapons. Without America this war would have been over long ago. Without America NATO is nothing, and nobody gives a shite about the weak fricks known as the EU. The thought of America is stronger than these European countries that pretend to be strong, while these countries are actively destroying themselves.
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