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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:57 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:57 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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But you just claimed that people have been SCREAMING for direct combat engagement against russian forces by nato nations. Can you show me these people? You made the claim.
Probably, but I've got a buzz and I'm feeling lazy
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:58 pm to upgrayedd
God damnit I was just about to add that you (like so many in this thread) were going to eventually back down and blame it on drinking lmao
Either way, this conflict isn't ending anytime soon so you have time. Otherwise we can just agree you made up a strawman. It's ok.
Either way, this conflict isn't ending anytime soon so you have time. Otherwise we can just agree you made up a strawman. It's ok.
This post was edited on 3/5/22 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:59 pm to Obtuse1
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I also learned Russia works on a logistics push system where the US and most capable nations use a pull system. We don't randomly send resupply based on pre-battle modeling, we send what is needed where on a continuous basis. The Russian military logistics leaders send resupply where they think they will need it based on their priorities. So you have units running out of fuel, parts and food while they have plenty of ammo because they did not anticipate using those up before they accomplished their mission. Their supply chains are simply not set up to react quickly in dynamic operations.
So they basically run their logistical system like they ran their economic system when they were the USSR. Bunch of morons.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 8:59 pm to upgrayedd
quote:no?
Have people not been advocating for involvement in this conflict
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:01 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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God damnit I was just about to add that you (like so many in this thread) were going to eventually back down and blame it on drinking lmao
That's what me and my boy Putin call a pre-emptive strike
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:04 pm to upgrayedd
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I mean, what the hell would be the lead time to get these things operational even if they are in Europe?
That was sort of my way to preempt someone saying but but we do have MIGs. We have them for OPFOR training IIRC* and we have over 20 MIG 29s we bought from I think Moldova to prevent them from being sold to Iran. I don't know where these are nor if they are operational. I suppose it is possible they end up in Ukraine at some point...
* I did not double-check this, I think we used some Russian assets at some point mixed with US fighters that mimicked their capabilities.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:05 pm to Obtuse1
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I also learned Russia works on a logistics push system where the US and most capable nations use a pull system. We don't randomly send resupply based on pre-battle modeling, we send what is needed where on a continuous basis. The Russian military logistics leaders send resupply where they think they will need it based on their priorities
I think this is because the Russian armies strategic planning is still based off fighting WWII. Once their war machine got rolling in 43 what you described is the way their front system operated. Rather than reacting to the situation on the ground, fronts would continuously switch on and off from offensive to regrouping posture based on previous planning. Supply prioritization would go to the front planned to switch back on, not the one in a position to exploit an advantage.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:07 pm to Cfrobel
So at this moment, how concerned are y’all about a full blown WWIII scenario?
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:09 pm to VAvolfan
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So they basically run their logistical system like they ran their economic system when they were the USSR. Bunch of morons.
In fairness push style logistical resupply CAN work if your modeling is accurate and you plan for enough contingencies. If you get the modeling right it is more effective than pull-based logistics but it will never be as efficient as pull-based and when shite happens you did not anticipate and plan for well you are fricked with a dry 18" dildo in a sandpaper condom.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Not very. Ukraine has begged for more countries to get more directly involved on their side and all have balked pretty swiftly.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:11 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So at this moment, how concerned are y’all about a full blown WWIII scenario?
1%
Unless Russia starts lobbing nukes, not going to happen, and the odds that they do that are slim to none. Even if Putin wants to, he has lost the room.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:11 pm to Obtuse1
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That was sort of my way to preempt someone saying but but we do have MIGs. We have them for OPFOR training IIRC* and we have over 20 MIG 29s we bought from I think Moldova to prevent them from being sold to Iran. I don't know where these are nor if they are operational. I suppose it is possible they end up in Ukraine at some point...
* I did not double-check this, I think we used some Russian assets at some point mixed with US fighters that mimicked their capabilities.
I think they were originally talking about getting them from Poland who I assume have some in stock, but I can't imagine they're like a rifle you can just hand off.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:13 pm to Obtuse1
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In fairness push style logistical resupply CAN work if your modeling is accurate and you plan for enough contingencies.
Sounds like it can't work. shite goes fubar all the time on things 1/100000000th of the scope and scale of military invasion. If everything has to go as expected for it to work, it will practically never work.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:16 pm to UndercoverBryologist
If you didn’t get that I meant NATO and pretty much the world as following rules I don’t have anything else to say.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:17 pm to JohnnyKilroy
And thats basically what you are seeing here. Its a poor system to use on such a grand scale. Its what happened to them in Afghanistan in the 80s
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:20 pm to WestCoastAg
The southern front seems to be rolling along pretty well. Who’s supplying them?
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:24 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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The southern front seems to be rolling along pretty well. Who’s supplying them?
The main difference in the southern front vs the northern front (not considering the quality of men and machines) is it is dry in the south. You won't see any pictures of trucks stuck in the southern AO. Resupply can move faster with fewer delays.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:25 pm to Obtuse1
quote:Agreed. So is it because of the push vs pull system of logistics or the poor weather and roadways?
The main difference in the southern front vs the northern front (not considering the quality of men and machines) is it is dry in the south. You won't see any pictures of trucks stuck in the southern AO. Resupply can move faster with fewer delays.
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:28 pm to TutHillTiger
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Ok, this is really really ducking bizarre, but are there any reports of foo fighters or unexplained lights, UAF, or anything like that in Ukraine? Hearing some really weird shite now.
What if they say they’re not like the others?
Posted on 3/5/22 at 9:29 pm to LSUBoo
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Even if Putin wants to, he has lost the room
To Putin’s credit, he’s not as insane as his reputation that precedes him. He no more wants to provoke a direct war with NATO than we do with him. (As I’ve said, he knows shipments are being carried out across Ukraine’s Western border with NATO. But he knows better than to poke that bear.)
The only real question mark is what desperate measures would he take if the Russian military was on the brink of collapse and he truly had everything to lose by pulling out of this war after going all in? Does he get desperate to attack those shipment corridors, even so far as to cross the Romanian, Slovakian, Hungarian, or Polish borders?
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