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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/29/24 at 5:36 pm to
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 5:36 pm to
“Could have”
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 5:50 pm to
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IIRC the OSS was in contact with Ho Chi Minh during the war and he expected American support for Vietnamese independence. The US State Department thought it was more important to stabilize DeGaulle and France by letting them keep their colonies. And so it began.


Yep.

Then de Gaulle eventually just threw up his hands over the Vietnamese rebellion and gave up, and the US stepped up to take France's place... and he thought we were being idiots for trying to stop it. He came to understand it would be an endless insurgency because the Vietnamese just wanted to rule themselves, and it was not about China or Russia expanding communism that they controlled.

HISTORY.com" "French President Charles de Gaulle urges the United STates to get out of Vietnam
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 6:04 pm to
Then argue with the pro-Ukraine accounts reporting that. Its factually true even if its “not that simple”
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 6:07 pm to
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The Chinese do not want the Russians to interfere with their significant interests in Central Asia, as everything the Chinese have done, from their support of the Taliban since 2021 to their investment in Pakistan and Iran is to secure a land route to Europe, which circumvents US control of seaways. A weakened Russia which can serve as another area to put excess Chinese industrial capacity serves their interest as well.


That isn’t an interdependent scenario though, that is Russia as a glorified Chinese vassal. I specifically said we don’t want interdependency for a reason…. These aren’t good actors. If they aren’t interdependent, they will sell each other out when it’s convenient for them. If they are, then they have to stick together and form somewhat of a coalition.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 6:41 pm to
Russia is truly gaining momentum....

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But during the week of Oct. 20-27, Russia made even bigger gains - taking 196.1 square km (75.7 square miles) of Ukrainian territory, according to the Russian media group Agentstvo which analysed Ukrainian open-source maps.


And things are looking so good in Kursk, sounds like those North Koreans spanking some ukranian tail...

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The recent Russian counterattacks in Kursk have retaken up to half of the territory first seized, casting doubt on how long Kyiv will be able to continue holding it.


And ukraine now going to "draft" another 160,000 people. I guess thats all that are left after so many have fled the country or been kidnapped and slaughtered on the front. Genocide of your own people, I guess every vineyard has its price.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 7:09 pm to
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Russia is truly gaining momentum....


So you are admitting your previous posts were bald faced lies???
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 7:21 pm to
ISW Update Oct 29th

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Key Takeaways:

The rate of Russian advances in Ukraine has increased in recent weeks but remains slow and consistent with positional warfare rather than with rapid mechanized maneuver—emphasizing how generally stagnant Russian advances have been after over two and half years of war.

Russian President Vladimir Putin attempted to use an annual Russian nuclear deterrence exercise to further boilerplate nuclear saber-rattling information operations that aim to influence Western decision making.

Recent Russian polling suggests that Russian domestic support for local government entities has somewhat declined over the past year, most likely in response to increased crypto-mobilization force generation efforts at the regional level.

Russian officials and milbloggers are conducting information operations that falsely portray the Georgian opposition's peaceful and legal challenges to the conduct of the October 26 parliamentary election results as a Western- and Ukrainian-sponsored illegal coup d'état.

The Georgian protests have been peaceful and legal - far from the Russian claims of an illegal coup.

These concerted Russian efforts to baselessly discredit the Georgian pro-Western opposition and civil society are part of a common Kremlin tactic aimed at framing the valid and legal concerns of pro-Western political entities in the post-Soviet space as illegitimate and violent.

Ukrainian forces recently advanced in Toretsk, and Russian forces made advanced near Kupyansk, Pokrovsk, Kurakhove, and southwest of Donetsk City.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MOD) continues to rely on Russia's prison population to replace depleted Russian units on the frontline.


Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 7:26 pm to
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If they are, then they have to stick together and form somewhat of a coalition


That ship has sailed a long time ago. They are very much a coalition, and the chances the West has had to break the Moscow-Tehran axis in the past were small and remote. Everything on the ground portends that Russian will be a client-state of the Chinese, as the Chinese have the vision, money, manpower and manufacturing. Russia has the resources.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 7:28 pm to
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Then argue with the pro-Ukraine accounts reporting that. Its factually true even if its “not that simple”


No dipshit, it isn't as simple as the South Koreans giving military aid in general, not as a response to battlefield conditions which are always transient.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:34 pm to
Don’t get your panties in a wad, Hooked On Phonics
This post was edited on 10/29/24 at 8:37 pm
Posted by JasonDBlaha
Woodlands, Texas
Member since Apr 2023
4535 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:49 pm to
650,000+ casualties for Russia is absurd. Putin gives absolutely zero fricks about his citizens.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:15 pm to
The Russians are smarter than the Chinese and more creative. They’re also much less insular and xenophobic. And they don't have the cultural problems the Chinese do with fraud and lying.

They’ll be partners, but the Chinese aren’t going to eclipse them.
This post was edited on 10/29/24 at 11:17 pm
Posted by SwampGar
Texas
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:53 pm to
Holy smokes, you are riding their crotch.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:54 pm to
I don’t have a high opinion of the Chinese.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:56 pm to
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The Russians are smarter than the Chinese and more creative. They’re also much less insular and xenophobic. And they don't have the cultural problems the Chinese do with fraud and lying.

They’ll be partners, but the Chinese aren’t going to eclipse them.


Actually, the Chinese would prefer other sources of raw materials due Russia never lives up to specs in trade deals. Fraud is the Russian way. If natural gas the BTU value will be less than contracted. If crude oil the BS&W will be higher than contracted and a 56 API gravity will be 60 API gravity. Ways like that maybe get dinged in the end but make the sale and the buyer has to deal with the waste.

Either you don't have an actual clue or are lying.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:02 am to
Fraud is worse in China, it’s systemic and present in all levels of society. It’s a culture where people happily cheat to get the outcome they want.
This post was edited on 10/30/24 at 12:05 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15692 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:47 am to
That was funny. My experience with selling commodities to China, they are rather difficult to deal with in contract negotiations, but live up to terms and conditions. "Commissions" are part of the negotiation.

On the other hand, Russians will sell substandard to conditions as much as they can. It is important for specs to be lived up to, otherwise it affects the cost to process the material. More waste, lower production rates are the result..
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 7:25 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
30 October 2024
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

According to the Russian Investigative Committee General-Major Alexander Ogloblin has been arrested and is being held in pre-trial detention for allegedly accepting 10 million rubles in bribes from a telecommunications company, as an inducement to secure Russian Ministry of Defence contracts. Ogloblin had previously been sentenced to four and a half years in prison in February 2022 in relation to separate embezzlement charges. He was granted early release after testifying against his former superior Deputy Chief of the General Staff, and Head of the Main Communications Directorate, General-Lieutenant Vadim Shamarin, who was detained in May 2024.

Ogloblin's second arrest demonstrates that Russian authorities continue to enthusiastically pursue corruption charges against serving and former defence officials (appointed in the era of former Minister of Defence, Sergei Shoigu), even after achieving initial convictions. The goal of Russian authorities is almost certainly not the eradication of corruption entirely; this behaviour is fundamental to the functioning of the regime. Instead, Russian authorities are likely seeking to limit corruption to more manageable levels that have a less drastic impact on the functioning of the department.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 7:33 am to
It means that there is nothing confidential between the partners.
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Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 7:43 am to
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And they don't have the cultural problems the Chinese do with fraud and lying.



The rest of that post was ridiculous... but this is a Chef's kiss of absurdity, like a cherry on top... to stack metaphors, which it deserves.
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