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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:04 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:04 am to
[quote]Which is an admission that they are losing on the front, contrary to theNarrative[/quote

Has anyone here said that Ukraine is winning on the “front”? I think most believe Russia has slowly been making progress. Some have even speculated for months that Russia is about to break through,


Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:20 am to
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Has anyone here said that Ukraine is winning on the “front”?


There seems to be pretty consistent pushback if you say Ukraine is losing, or that Russia is winning.... the opposite of both of those statements is that Ukraine is winning. But decide for yourself.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:35 am to
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Which is an admission that they are losing on the front, contrary to theNarrative


1. Whose narrative?

2. While I hate to use this analogy but LSU lost to Ole Miss on Saturday with their bend but don't break defense. Yet LSU won even though it had no lead until the final OT TD.
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 2:21 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:40 am to
What happens to the Russian side of the front without Chechens behind it to shoot those retreating? We already know about the feud going on with the Chechens and even a shootout near the Kremlin recently. Has Putin welched on payments to Chechnya that has kept it calm and in the fold? It's not like Chechnya is prosperous without lots of payola from Moscow.

We already know about shenanigans in the West with the Orban and his ilk along with Germany's scared rabbit halting contributions to Ukraine.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:37 am to
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Germany will no longer provide heavy combat vehicles to Ukraine, according to reports from the German newspaper Bild, which cites an internal document from the German Ministry of Defense.

The transfer of such equipment, which included Leopard 2 tanks, Marder infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and Panzerhaubitze 2000 (PzH 2000) howitzers, has reportedly been completed.

Germany halts supply of heavy vehicles to Ukraine.

Geez talk about overexaggerating to make something a click bait article (which I must admit it worked because I clicked). Od course, Germany is going to stop delivering vehicles if the agreed upon number have been transferred.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:41 am to
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What does more pressure look like?

We are withholding advanced weapons that could turn the war.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:43 am to
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Which is an admission that they are losing on the front, contrary to theNarrative


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1. Whose narrative?



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CitizenK


Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:49 am to
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We are withholding advanced weapons that could turn the war.



And they could just escalate things further.

Y'all do realize that Russia could do a lot more damage to Ukraine than they are currently doing... right? I've been operating under the assumption that everyone here was aware of that, but it seems as if some posters may not be.

They aren't fighting with kid gloves by any means, but they haven't gone completely scorched earth either because there is a sizable population in Russia who have friends and relatives in Ukraine, and because it doesn't (usually) make sense to completely level something you want to take over and use for yourself.

I get the sense that some here believe Russia is throwing absolutely everything they can into this, and so far thats just not the case. More resources than they assumed it would take/would like to use? Absolutely. But not everything, yet.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:58 am to
Germany completes delivery of equipment to Ukraine from Bundeswehr stockpiles

The German Ministry of Defense has completed the delivery of military equipment to Ukraine from the Army’s stocks.

The official account of German aid to Ukraine reported about this on X (ex-Twitter).

Thus, the supply of Marder 1A3 infantry fighting vehicles, Leopard 2 main battle tanks, and PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzers has been completed.

Further deliveries will take place within the framework of signed contracts with the German defense industry, which will supply Ukraine with new heavy armored vehicles and artillery systems.


It should be noted that weapons were transferred from the ground forces after Germany reformed its armed forces and reduced the number of heavy armored vehicles between 2005 and 2018.

Nevertheless, as part of its military assistance to Ukraine, the German government has signed a significant number of contracts with local defense companies that will supply Ukraine with equipment until 2028.

The weapons ordered for Ukraine from Germany include 7 IRIS-T SLM SAM systems, 2 Skynex air defense systems, 12 Gepard SPAAGs, 6 Westland Sea King Mk41 helicopters, 30 PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzers, and 54 RCH 155 self-propelled artillery systems.

In addition, Germany has financed the purchase of 14 Zuzana 2 self-propelled artillery systems from Slovakia, which will be transferred to Ukraine.

The transferred weapons will also include 2 TRML-4D radars, 80 Leopard 1A5 main battle tanks, 378 FFG MRAPs, 9 Bergepanzer 2 ARVs, 2 Biber AVLB bridge-laying tanks, 3 Pionierpanzer 2A1 Dachs AEVs, and 5 Oshkosh M1070 tank transporters.

Militarnyi
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:02 am to
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They aren't fighting with kid gloves by any means, but they haven't gone completely scorched earth either because there is a sizable population in Russia who have friends and relatives in Ukraine, and because it doesn't (usually) make sense to completely level something you want to take over and use for yourself.


So who decides which towns and villages get leveled and which buildings get blown to bits?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:06 am to
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We are withholding advanced weapons that could turn the war.


What we have held back? The JASSM?
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:09 am to
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So who decides which towns and villages get leveled


The best predictor of that has been proximity to the lines, whether or not troops are dug in, and how fierce the fighting is there. So in that case its more about the combat in that specific area than it is about any military doctrine or strategy.

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which buildings get blown to bits?


Its repeatedly brought up as a point that Russia has trouble responding to deep strikes because they don't have the tools to accurately hit things from very far away, but when some building that doesn't even make sense for them to intentionally hit gets blown up you have the usual suspects in this thread completely convinced it was intentional. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't depending on the specific case. I just don't find it that hard to believe that they miss what they were aiming for pretty often.
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 11:11 am
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:22 am to
I agree, Russia will destroy a town or village completely to gain an advantage. They do not hold back.

Russia also launches erratic attacks from long range with little accuracy to terrorize the population. They are likely to injure or kill civilians and they are ok with that. It serves their purposes.

They probably would do more of this, but they are short on missiles.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:23 am to
Russian strike on Odesa port kills 1, injures 8, damages civilian vessels

by Kateryna Denisova October 14, 2024 2:12 PM

Russia attacked the southern city of Odesa's port infrastructure with a ballistic missile on Oct. 14, killing one person and injuring eight others, Governor Oleh Kiper reported.

The attack damaged two civilian vessels — NS Moon flying the flag of Belize and the Palau-flagged Optima, Kiper said. Russia targeted the latter ship last week on Oct. 7.

In recent days, Russia stepped up its attacks against port infrastructure in Odesa Oblast, damaging several civilian ships.

"The purpose of these attacks is to reduce our export potential," said Oleksii Kuleba, the minister for the development of communities, territories, and infrastructure, last week on Telegram.

"This is a deliberate attempt to provoke a food crisis in those parts of the world that are directly dependent on Ukrainian grain supplies."

A grain warehouse, cargo cranes, and machinery were also damaged in today's missile attack on Odesa, according to Kuleba. The victims are Ukrainian port employees.

Over the past three months, Russia has carried out nearly 60 such attacks, damaging or destroying nearly 300 port infrastructure facilities and 22 civilian vessels, Kuleba said on Oct. 10.

Over 80 civilians were killed or injured as a result of these strikes.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:29 am to
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Russia also launches erratic attacks from long range with little accuracy to terrorize the population. They are likely to injure or kill civilians and they are ok with that. It serves their purposes.


So how does that work exactly? They just shoot in a general direction?

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They are likely to injure or kill civilians and they are ok with that. It serves their purposes.


I don't think they care a whole bunch if civilians get hit, I just think we are getting into "turning people into Orcs" territory there
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:40 am to
‘Double-tap’ attack. Understanding one of Russia’s cruelest tactics in Ukraine

Hitting a building, waiting for first responders and the media to arrive, and hitting the same place again to target those who came to put out the fire, help the victims, or document a potential war crime is a well-honed tool of Russia in its wars.

This ruthless and illegal military tactic is called a "double-tap" attack.

Having used Syria as a "testing ground" since 2015, Russia started terrorizing Ukraine with "double-tap" attacks following the full-scale invasion. Those attacks have grown more frequent in recent weeks.

Russian "double-tap" attacks against Ukraine have killed and injured dozens of rescuers, police officers, medics, and journalists who should be protected by international law.

The escalation in "double-tap" attacks may be linked to Russia's attempt to affect the morale of Ukrainians, exhausted from over two years of full-scale war, as well as inflict greater damage to the country's critical infrastructure, experts suggest.

According to Kelly Grieco, a senior fellow at the Stimson Center whose expertise includes international security and air operations, if Russia's goal was to ensure it had destroyed a target, the strikes would likely occur with a shorter gap.

"But the regularity with which these strikes seem to come thirty minutes apart suggests the purpose is to cause maximum damage and loss of life, including to rescue workers," she told the Kyiv Independent.

Just a day before the Zaporizhzhia strike, Russian forces conducted a "double-tap" drone attack against Kharkiv, resulting in four fatalities, including three first responders, and injuring 12, including an emergency service worker, a policeman, and a nurse.

Ukraine is not the first country suffering from Russian "double-tap" strikes — Moscow employed this tactic extensively in Syria alongside Bashar al-Assad's government forces. According to Syria's Justice and Accountability Center, 58 "double-tap" airstrikes were carried out in Syria between 2013 and 2021, primarily targeting humanitarian workers.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:05 pm to
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Russian "double-tap" attacks against Ukraine have killed and injured dozens of rescuers, police officers, medics, and journalists who should be protected by international law.




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The escalation in "double-tap" attacks may be linked to Russia's attempt to affect the morale of Ukrainians, exhausted from over two years of full-scale war, as well as inflict greater damage to the country's critical infrastructure, experts suggest.



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Zaporizhzhia strike,


So 'dozens' killed or injured a little over 2 years into the war, and one of these attacks accounts for at least a dozen. How many dozens are we talking about? But theres been an escalation in such attacks?

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According to Syria's Justice and Accountability Center, 58 "double-tap" airstrikes were carried out in Syria between 2013 and 2021, primarily targeting humanitarian workers.


So 7 times per year in Syria? You'd think it would be more if it were some psychological warfare tactic coming down from Putin's desk or soemthing
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:17 pm to
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Not saying he was correct when he specifically did that, but our intelligence agencies aren't infallible by any means. Them having their own foreign policy/national security agenda that transcends votes or presidents is something we have to get a handle on.


But as the leader of a country, and the West, you don't supply a foreign dictator with the perfect soundbite for his international "The United States is corrupt and evil" campaign. If Obama had done that you guys would want him hung for treason.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:19 pm to
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If Obama had done that you guys would want him hung for treason.


IDK about this, since the thing with Obama is that he is supposedly part of the 'deep state'. If he came out against the CIA that would (should) be a good thing in the mind of the PTers.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 10/14/24 at 1:13 pm to
Double taps, which are not part of a barrage, are evidence that:

1.The original target was not accidental or random since the same locations are hit twice within an hour.

2. The weapons being used for the double taps are not inaccurate since they hit the same location.
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