re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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You were the one accusing someone else of being a foreign agent, and I pointed out how stupid that was. Now of course you are weaseling/crawfishing out.

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You're just mad that I pointed out how stupid some of you are

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I was told this wasn't happening

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Link??????

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was told this wasn't happening

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Link?

ETA: I asked how the Ukrainians were laundering money back to US politicians. Which seems to be the dog whistle of the Putin fans on here.

I'm not saying there's not waste and theft in the Ukraine military. Any more than saying there's not waste and theft in our military. Or any organization or bureaucracy around the world.

But I'm still waiting for someone to explain how it works.

Like I'm still waiting for someone to explain Russia's end game.

Still waiting

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You literally implied it wasn't happening like 4 pages ago

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I get it. Reading comprehension isn't your thing.

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I asked how the Ukrainians were laundering money back to US politicians. Which seems to be the dog whistle of the Putin fans on here

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I will lay out a couple of scenarios, with the caveat that I wouldn't be surprised if it were happening but also don't believe strongly that it is. There are actually a couple of avenues you could take with the logic.

The most obvious one is that funds received by Ukraine get laundered via 'paying' for what they were actually intended for, just at highly inflated prices justified by the wartime environment, then Ukrainians take some off the top. This is one that I would put as very likely to have occurred at least once, but who knows if its widespread or not. And involving US politicians in this one likely just wouldn't work without setting off alarm bells with financial transactions. It would have to involve using aid money to purchase things from companies with ties to US politicians, which is possible I guess.

The real "laundering" that isn't technically laundering (I think most people mean war profiteering when they say this) would be intentionally prolonging the war so arms manufacturers/the MIC sell more stuff, and certain politicians get X amount off the top of the profits, or a family member gets a high paying job there, or they get a board seat when they are out of congress, etc etc. This especially works if you believe the west killed the peace deal in 2022, but I could see it working even without belief in that..... The slow ramp up of the type of arms we were giving Ukraine, the restrictions that we are slowly lifting off of the arms we do give them.... As the comparatively undermanned Ukrainian military deals with personnel issues as the war drags on, you turn up the volume in terms of type and/or amount of arms to keep them in the fight as long as possible, and you don't even try to end it at the negotiating table.

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You literally implied it wasn't happening like 4 pages ago

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I get to finally throw one of your dumbass lines back at you. Quote where someone actually said it. Because you demand to be quoted verbatim everytime someone calls you out least you can do is not be hypocritical

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Because you demand to be quoted verbatim everytime someone calls you out least you can do is not be hypocritical

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Yeah, I was being hypocritical there.

But I at least posted a quote. And most of the time when I say that I take issue with people assuming my position, its usually not actually implying something.

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I was told this wasn't happening

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No, you have been told that there are tight controls on US aid to account for every penny (we're literally spending some $15 million on accountants), not that the regular Ukrainian state budget is free of corruption.

Everyone knows that Ukraine, like Russia, has long struggled with a culture of corruption, and that the Ukrainian work of changing that culture doesn't culminate instantly.