re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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we're literally spending some $15 million on accountants)

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Our own DoD can’t even pass an audit and that’s supposed to mean anything?

Haven't heard much about it, probably not 'leaking' as much as you are when you finally make your way out of the Zelensky BDSM dungeon every morning.

I read through that long arse post twice. Just to be sure.

And you didn't describe anything close to money laundering.

Theft. War profiteering. Murder. Looting. War crimes. Corruption.

I see all of that. But I have a masters degree in international finance. And I studied currency trading and FOREX options at the London School of Economics. (Fall semester of 1997 so it's been a while).

But I keep hearing about this big money laundering scheme associated with the war in Ukraine. And no one has been able to explain to me how that works.

Another way to put it is: You guys don't know what money laundering is. But you think it sounds cool, so you're going with it in the absence of any other accusation supported by facts.

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I read through that long arse post twice. Just to be sure.

And you didn't describe anything close to money laundering.

Theft. War profiteering. Murder. Looting. War crimes. Corruption.

I see all of that. But I have a masters degree in international finance

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In the first scenario you would have to launder the obtained money somehow. I laid out how they money would be obtained, there are a bunch of ways you could launder it even in the US, so I'm sure there are no shortage of avenues in a war-torn eastern European country.

I said it was war profiteering in the second scenario, so apparently you didn't read it that well. I also said, like you did, that most people throw the term 'money laundering' around to describe a bunch of things.

Also, its funny that someone who supposedly has a masters in economics thinks that was a long read

Its also intellectually dishonest to have the education you supposedly have, KNOW what people actually mean when they are mentioning corruption in Ukraine, and try to use gotcha tactics on a technicality just because people aren't 100% precise with their language. But, you have proven yourself to be quite dishonest in the past, so there are no surprises there.

Money laundering is not the same as stealing money.

Can you demonstrate money laundering? I know you can demonstrate corruption.

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Another way to put it is: You guys don't know what money laundering is. But you think it sounds cool, so you're going with it in the absence of any other accusation supported by facts.

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It's ideological cheerleading and mud slinging, not fact seeking. A lot of that going on.

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just don't think you're an honest or intellectually consistent

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I'm not the one who can't explain the technical details of his own argument. The argument that you keep cycling through over and over again.

But when pressed, you don't even know what it means or how it works.

And you call me dishonest and intellectually inconsistent. That's rich.

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The real "laundering" that isn't technically laundering (I think most people mean war profiteering when they say this) would be intentionally prolonging the war so arms manufacturers/the MIC sell more stuff, and certain politicians get X amount off the top of the profits, or a family member gets a high paying job there, or they get a board seat when they are out of congress, etc etc. This especially works if you believe the west killed the peace deal in 2022, but I could see it working even without belief in that

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How are you this dim? Do you know what action actually ensured that defense companies are going to have consistent work for the next few decades?

The stupidity of it also comes from the fact that military spending has increased across the board due to...Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022. That fact ensured defense contractors will have plenty of work. There has been several massive changes to the security framework of Europe and it boggles the mind to think that 'war profiteering' is even a reasonable argument against Ukraine specifically.

It's hard to state the degree to which the Russian invasion completely invalidated one faction in the European security debate, as the group that aimed to change Russia through trade has been completely sidelined. You can see the massive repercussions reverberating through policy changes, such as Germany's 2023 Defense Policy Guidelines. It beggars belief that this accusation could be leveled at the Allied wing solely without the broader context of European security before February 2022.

I mean, he definitely heard the 'war profiteering' thing from someone else and now he's repeating it with his entire heart. But it's a nonsensical position because the increase in spending in Europe was a contentious point of debate right up until February of 2022.