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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:05 pm to
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38160 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:05 pm to
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The attitude from the Russian perspective, from ordinary people and even from government officials has been “good riddance” though. They certainly lost some human potential, but these are also people who walked away from their country and their countrymen in a time of crisis, and that’s seen as a social sin. And in their eyes, losing these people is not a loss, it’s addition by subtraction


You’re probably right about this which is why Russia is a feudal kleptocratic dump.

quote:

. The post war Russia will be economically stronger, and certainly wealthier, but the war is also strengthening the countries soul.


There he is!
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

The attitude from the Russian perspective


How do you know the Russian perspective, first hand?
Posted by cwil1
Member since Oct 2023
907 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:09 pm to
I guess now wouldn't be the time to say. I support secession. But only in times of unquestionable/blatant tyranny. Kinda like when the colonies bounced from the empire.




But yeah, these guys who think Russia don't pose a threat. Have just been bought by the FSB. These same guys are hardcore support Israel btw. Support Russia because facebook and fox news told me they're cool. Support Israel (I don't support Hamas btw) because something something Jesus.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 12:14 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:22 pm to
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I love that you think you're more "in the know" politically because you follow the 100% far left remaining panel at 538. Just so you know, Nate Silver gives Biden a 15% chance of winning per his podcast today.


I didn't know Nate had started his forecast, yet... I thought he would only post it on his subscription substack thing (which I didn't feel like subscribing to), so it's good to know he's undercutting his own business plan!

And he has Trump in the same position he had Hillary in 2016? Interesting...

But I remember him constantly saying "polls in August tell us absolutely nothing about November" in past elections... so strange that he's contradicting that, now.

Also, Nate himself is "far Left," openly Gay, and he DESPISES Trump... I'm surprised you don't disqualify his takes for those reasons alone.

And I just stumbled onto him being one of the loudest "Biden needs to resign right now because Kamala would defeat Trump" voices.

Do you agree with his take on that?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:31 pm to
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How do you know the Russian perspective, first hand


I know this wasn't directed at me, but every Russian I personally know doesn't support the war. Those living outside the country will post about it but those living in Russia still are tight lipped but all fled during the mobilization and returned later. Granted that is a very small sample and biased towards those who have lived abroad but just thought I'd share a counter point view to what Lima posted
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:33 pm to
I read a lot and I talk to people.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:55 pm to
There’s acknowledging secession as an option and then there’s actively arguing balkanization would be good for America
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30462 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:10 pm to
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I know this wasn't directed at me, but every Russian I personally know doesn't support the war.


But they aren't in Unit 54777 in the GRU now are they?
Posted by cwil1
Member since Oct 2023
907 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:15 pm to
This just reads like Neo-confederate fan fiction.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20971 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:40 pm to
Very interesting: Luka announced that Belarus is withdrawing its troops from the Ukrainian border, saying that tensions had been resolved. There are reports that Ukraine has also withdrawn some troops from the Belarusian border.

I really don't know what to make of this. Did one of Putin's checks bounce?

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“After our specific work, the Ukrainians withdrew their armed forces and additional troops, which they [previously] transferred to our border, from the border and generally withdrew from the Belarusian-Ukrainian border zone,” the agency quoted the president as saying. “Right now we don’t have any complications with the Ukrainians, and I hope there won’t be any,” Lukashenko added.


Posted by cwil1
Member since Oct 2023
907 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:50 pm to
Sounds like a tit for tat, until Ukraine pulled their troops back from the Belarusian border.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 1:51 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15715 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:35 pm to
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Yet again you are clueless. The Kazakh government is estimating the number of Russians avoiding the draft at 200,000,


Over 470,000 documented Russians moved there in Sept 2022
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20971 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:36 pm to
The timing is a big boost for Ukraine, considering that their forces had been spread extremely thin (that was the whole point of Russia's Kharkiv incursion), and Ukraine had been unable to rotate troops, as the new conscription law has gotten new men in uniform, but most of them are still training.

The withdrawal of 2000 Belarusian troops from the border will allow Ukraine to redeploy a similar number of troops to an active section of the front and/or to rotate out some tired unit.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15715 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:37 pm to
Over 80,000 Russian military aged men came across the border into Texas in 2022
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15715 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:34 pm to
It would be interesting for our actual medical professionals to comment on this. Around midway point are google searches regarding medical issues

LINK
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20971 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 4:59 pm to
Deepstate is reporting that Russian troops assaulted Ukrainian troops in Uruzhaine and completed the recapture of the settlement.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5648 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 5:05 pm to
Russia used Iskander missiles to hit Kharkiv railway station, number of casualties rises – photos
KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO — Saturday, 13 July 2024, 20:24

Early reports indicate that Russian troops fired two Iskander-M missiles on the village of Budy in Kharkiv Oblast. The strike killed two people and injured 23, including a 14-year-old girl.

Source: Kharkiv Oblast Prosecutor's Office

Quote: "On 13 July, at about 15:40, the Russian armed forces launched a missile strike on a railway station in the village of Budy, Kharkiv Oblast. After the [emergency] services arrived, Russian troops used the double-tap strike tactic and fired a[nother] missile at exactly the same location.

The head of the Kharkiv District Department of the State Emergency Service in Kharkiv Region and a police officer of the Patrol Police Response Unit [...] of the National Police in Kharkiv Oblast were killed.

23 people, including a 14-year-old girl, suffered injuries of varying degrees of severity."

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68360 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 5:27 pm to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 5:43 pm to
Yeah, I wonder why people would be reluctant to sign up after being denied arms and aid for 7 months and suffering loses because of that?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20971 posts
Posted on 7/13/24 at 5:44 pm to
May God help our country.
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