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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:45 am to VolSquatch
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:45 am to VolSquatch
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Surely you mean India and Pakistan?
Iran and Pakistan have improved their relations. A pew research poll said most Pakistanis actually view Iran positively, one of the few nations where that is true.
No... so much has been put into making sure India and Pakistan don't nuke each other. Sure, they hate each other (and its on the level of Ukraine and Russia, China and Taiwan, Israel and Palestine... the last being probably the most accurate since both were the result of British partitions of warring populations in the same territory), but India has more to worry about with China constantly screwing with them in very low key ways we don't even notice.
Iran and Pakistan are opposing Sects... that is ultimately incompatible. For all of the overtures and attempts at cooperation, stuff like this randomly happens...
CNN (1/18/2024): "Why are Iran and Pakistan striking each other's territory - and what does it have to do with the Middle East?"
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 10:52 am
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:48 am to VolSquatch
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Why wouldn't Argentina do this?
In short... Chinese jets are trash (see the vid I posted about Chinese arms), Russia doesn't have enough jets to export...
Posted on 7/9/24 at 11:12 am to doubleb
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So is Trump going to guarantee the peace?
If Ukraine pays up enough?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 11:16 am to ticklechain
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Chrome
Worked for me?
Maybe it has trouble translating Romanian to Russian?
(I kid... I kid...)
Posted on 7/9/24 at 11:34 am to Lee B
One thing coming from this that might realign the world (as we're seeing with Argentina).
Faith in Russian military gear has been pretty much completely eroded, right?
That comes as countries who invested a lot in Chinese military gear (especially fighter jets) are finding out that they are junk and they can't keep them operating.
Both of these countries got their foot in the door of a lot of places by offering their arms at discounts, on easy credit payment plans, or outright for free or in trade for resources...
But if you're a country in a hot zone where you actually need to defend yourselves from active threats, you're screwed.
Niger just kicked the US out of its country and made a military alliance deal with Russia and stocked up on Russian arms. We'll see if Niger, Mali, and Burkina Faso have screwed themselves by joining team Russia in order to fight Jihadists. From what I've read they all got aggravated that the US had stopped being aggressive in that fight over the last 10 years, and exiting Afghanistan didn't help that perception, while it has heated up for them... but that's not a "peer-to-peer" army battle. And the Jihadists probably have Russian and Chinese arms, too.
Faith in Russian military gear has been pretty much completely eroded, right?
That comes as countries who invested a lot in Chinese military gear (especially fighter jets) are finding out that they are junk and they can't keep them operating.
Both of these countries got their foot in the door of a lot of places by offering their arms at discounts, on easy credit payment plans, or outright for free or in trade for resources...
But if you're a country in a hot zone where you actually need to defend yourselves from active threats, you're screwed.
Niger just kicked the US out of its country and made a military alliance deal with Russia and stocked up on Russian arms. We'll see if Niger, Mali, and Burkina Faso have screwed themselves by joining team Russia in order to fight Jihadists. From what I've read they all got aggravated that the US had stopped being aggressive in that fight over the last 10 years, and exiting Afghanistan didn't help that perception, while it has heated up for them... but that's not a "peer-to-peer" army battle. And the Jihadists probably have Russian and Chinese arms, too.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 11:46 am to Lee B
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Worked for me?
Likewise
Posted on 7/9/24 at 12:27 pm to Lee B
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Iran and Pakistan are opposing Sects... that is ultimately incompatible.
The Pakistanis I know definitely do not like Iran. I was working in a plant there a few years back and there was a skirmish between Iran and Afghanistan. I'm not sure it even made the news here. In a meeting the Pakistanis joked about it and said that hopefully they'd kill each other off. And everyone laughed in agreement.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:31 pm to Tigris
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The Pakistanis I know definitely do not like Iran. I was working in a plant there a few years back and there was a skirmish between Iran and Afghanistan. I'm not sure it even made the news here. In a meeting the Pakistanis joked about it and said that hopefully they'd kill each other off. And everyone laughed in agreement.
It was a bit different back when Iran was ruled by the Shah, because he was not Islamic but Secular, Afghanistan had been ruled by his cousin, then by what amounted to their extended family members in the cabinet who staged a coup...
But Khomeini and the Taliban are incompatible, and while the Taliban and Pakistan were allies, now the Taliban is (strangely) cozying up to India, which is not cool in the eyes of Pakistan...
Oy vey, what a mess...
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:25 pm to Lee B
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It was a bit different back when Iran was ruled by the Shah, because he was not Islamic but Secular, Afghanistan had been ruled by his cousin, then by what amounted to their extended family members in the cabinet who staged a coup...
The Shah was shia pet but tolerant of others. His overthrow was actually a Russian operation co-opted but the mullahs.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:06 pm to Lee B
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Trump advisers envision a ‘radical reorientation’ in which Washington takes a back seat to Europe — and cuts a deal with Putin over Ukraine.
I have no doubt Trump will make an effort to broker a deal... It remains to be seen if he can come up with a deal that both parties will agree to and maintain.. (Putin.. I'm looking at you...)
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:16 pm to klrstix
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I have no doubt Trump will make an effort to broker a deal... It remains to be seen if he can come up with a deal that both parties will agree to and maintain.. (Putin.. I'm looking at you...)
The wording makes me think Trump will just throw Ukraine under the bus and let Putin at least keep the territory he has... maybe take more.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:17 pm to klrstix
Teams complete search and rescue operations in Kyiv district after attack: girl's body removed from under debris – photos
Tetyana Oliynyk — Tuesday, 9 July 2024, 22:29
On the evening of 9 July, rescue workers completed search and rescue operations at the site of a Russian attack on a residential building in Kyiv's Shevchenkivskyi district.
Source: State Emergency Service of Ukraine
Quote: "Rescue workers have removed the body of a girl aged 17 or 18. Emergency repair work is underway.
33 people were killed, including 4 children, 121 were injured, including 10 children, as a result of yesterday's hostile attack on Kyiv. 11 people were rescued."
Ukrainska Pravda
Tetyana Oliynyk — Tuesday, 9 July 2024, 22:29
On the evening of 9 July, rescue workers completed search and rescue operations at the site of a Russian attack on a residential building in Kyiv's Shevchenkivskyi district.
Source: State Emergency Service of Ukraine
Quote: "Rescue workers have removed the body of a girl aged 17 or 18. Emergency repair work is underway.
33 people were killed, including 4 children, 121 were injured, including 10 children, as a result of yesterday's hostile attack on Kyiv. 11 people were rescued."
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:17 pm to Lee B
but Putin will not "maintain" anything... he'll just bandage together his military and take the rest when he thinks he can. Why wouldn't he? He's getting away with it.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:20 pm to klrstix
Trump has made a lot of statements all subject to interpretation.
IMO, no way that he brokers anything which makes him look like he got snookered in the deal.
IMO, no way that he brokers anything which makes him look like he got snookered in the deal.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:21 pm to Lee B
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but Putin will not "maintain" anything... he'll just bandage together his military and take the rest when he thinks he can. Why wouldn't he? He's getting away with
He got away with taking Crimea and for Georgia, but he hasn’t gained much of anything in this SO. In fact I believe his gains were very expensive to the point that if you were keeping score I’d say he has lost.
Ukraine has lost too, but they didn’t start the war, Russia did.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:25 pm to Lee B
Modi went to Russia, yesterday... I saw people angered, and... it seemed weird.
But...
MSN/Newsweek: "Putin Backs Down Over Modi's Mercenary Demand"
Russia will discharge all Indians who are fighting for Moscow's forces in Ukraine following a deal between Vladimir Putin and Narendra Modi, it has been reported.
Indian media outlet NDTV said the leaders discussed the fate of dozens of Indian troops who claimed they were tricked into taking up a fighting role after being persuaded by agents to go to Russia on the pretext of getting high-paying jobs. Two Indian men have reportedly died in the war in Ukraine.
Russia has been luring Indian males with job offers, and even discount vacation trips, then conscripting them by force... wow...
But...
MSN/Newsweek: "Putin Backs Down Over Modi's Mercenary Demand"
Russia will discharge all Indians who are fighting for Moscow's forces in Ukraine following a deal between Vladimir Putin and Narendra Modi, it has been reported.
Indian media outlet NDTV said the leaders discussed the fate of dozens of Indian troops who claimed they were tricked into taking up a fighting role after being persuaded by agents to go to Russia on the pretext of getting high-paying jobs. Two Indian men have reportedly died in the war in Ukraine.
Russia has been luring Indian males with job offers, and even discount vacation trips, then conscripting them by force... wow...
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:38 pm to doubleb
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He got away with taking Crimea and for Georgia, but he hasn’t gained much of anything in this SO. In fact I believe his gains were very expensive to the point that if you were keeping score I’d say he has lost.
Ukraine has lost too, but they didn’t start the war, Russia did.
Convince Sir Winston and Lima Whiskey that he has lost.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:41 pm to CitizenK
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Trump has made a lot of statements all subject to interpretation.
IMO, no way that he brokers anything which makes him look like he got snookered in the deal.
Your interpretations put far more faith in him than mine.
Resuscitating the Taliban by negotiating a withdrawal deal from Afghanistan with THEM makes him seem like he got snookered to me (and yes, I still blame Biden for being dumb enough to go through with that disaster)
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:42 pm to Lee B
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Russia has been luring Indian males with job offers, and even discount vacation trips, then conscripting them by force... wow...
India is doing better than Nepal apparently. Somewhere between 200 and 15000 have been recruited into the Russian army.
Russia has recruited as many as 15,000 Nepalis to fight its war. Many returned traumatized. Some never came back (CNN)
‘Want to go home’: Nepalis fighting for Russia in Ukraine describe horrors
They were lured by the promise of $3,000 paycheques and Russian citizenship. Now they’re trapped, wounded or dead. (Al Jazeera)
'They put us all in front': Nepalese men recruited by Russia to fight in Ukraine (France 24)
Hundreds of Nepalese men moved to Russia to join in its fight against Ukraine (NPR)
Ganesh, 35, told Sky News that Nepali soldiers were treated as cannon fodder and that "once we were sent to Ukraine, we didn't have enough food and were beaten by the Russians". (Sky News)
Nepalis Stuck in the Russian Army: A Familiar Tale for Nepal (The Diplomat)
Thousands of Nepalis were paid to join Russia’s war against Ukraine. Now they’re haunted by trauma and debt (South China Morning Post)
Nepal Asks Russia to Return Nepalis Fighting in Ukraine (VOA News)
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:48 pm to StormyMcMan
I know Russia is signing up fighters from the Middle East, Asia and Africa...
but this was the first I heard of them lying about what it was people were signing up for... maybe I'd just missed that detail... or maybe Indians weren't falling for the military pitch...
but this was the first I heard of them lying about what it was people were signing up for... maybe I'd just missed that detail... or maybe Indians weren't falling for the military pitch...
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