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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/26/24 at 8:29 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 6/26/24 at 8:29 pm to Jim Rockford
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NK has made itself a direct party to the conflict
That's the thing: this isn't like the UK secretly keeping about 50 special forces guys in Ukraine, or Iran sending some guys to fire the first couple hundred Shaheds against Ukraine, or even like the French plan to send trainers and repair techs to Ukraine.
This is direct involvement in the conflict, officially announced by the North Korean government. This is officially no longer only a war between Russia and Ukraine.
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Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
If they just send engineers. I don't see how that is different than France sending instructors. I'll wait until they send actual combat units.
Posted on 6/26/24 at 10:32 pm to cwil1
It's definitely a sign that Russia is running out of people regardless
Posted on 6/26/24 at 11:39 pm to cwil1
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If they just send engineers. I don't see how that is different than France sending instructors. I'll wait until they send actual combat units.
If they support the military effort they're a military target, the same way merchant marine ships carrying military cargo are targets.
Whether Ukraine wants to attack them is a political decision for Ukraine, but they are legitimate targets.
This post was edited on 6/26/24 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 6/26/24 at 11:48 pm to CitizenK
I was told Russia has only lost 20k KIA though. And Ukraine was drafting from nursing homes!
Posted on 6/27/24 at 5:07 am to GOP_Tiger
Maybe it was all fake news?
EDIT: I found an actual report from a South Korean news source that said that the Norks are sending construction engineers, not combat engineers.
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“The purpose is to rebuild the city destroyed by battle.”
That's a very different thing.
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“The purpose is to rebuild the city destroyed by battle.”
That's a very different thing.
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 5:43 am
Posted on 6/27/24 at 6:02 am to GOP_Tiger
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EDIT: I found an actual report from a South Korean news source that said that the Norks are sending construction engineers, not combat engineers.
They were already sending construction workers to Russia due Russia not having enough. Russia has been dependent on workers from Kazakhstan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc... but has been forcing some of them into the military.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 6:30 am to CitizenK
Its honestly hilarious to see the cope from people ITT about the North Korea thing 
Reputable outlets are reporting that its just an engineering group. Maybe it ends up being troops, we will see. But until some legit info comes through I'm assuming its engineers.
"Its a huge escalation" here, but NATO countries sending trainers or pilots or mechanics or whatever is just common sense and not an escalatory action at all
For those who aren't indoctrinated one way or another yet, take note of the posters whose only consistent worldview is "whatever is best for Ukraine is the right thing" and those who call balls and strikes evenly. The former have made themselves known.
Reputable outlets are reporting that its just an engineering group. Maybe it ends up being troops, we will see. But until some legit info comes through I'm assuming its engineers.
"Its a huge escalation" here, but NATO countries sending trainers or pilots or mechanics or whatever is just common sense and not an escalatory action at all
For those who aren't indoctrinated one way or another yet, take note of the posters whose only consistent worldview is "whatever is best for Ukraine is the right thing" and those who call balls and strikes evenly. The former have made themselves known.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 6:35 am to StormyMcMan
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North Korea will reportedly send military construction and engineering forces to participate in "reconstruction work" in occupied Donetsk Oblast as early as July 2024.
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South Korean TV network TV Chosun, citing a South Korean government official, reported on June 21 that South Korea expects North Korea to dispatch a large-scale engineering force to occupied Donetsk Oblast as early as July 2024 and that the force will help rebuild infrastructure in occupied Donetsk City.[19] The North Korean military reportedly operates 10 engineering brigades, and TV Chosun estimated that North Korea could earn up to $115 million in unspecified foreign currency each year from Russia if it dispatches three or four engineering brigades to occupied Ukraine.[20] Pentagon Press Secretary Major General Pat Ryder stated on June 25 that the US will "keep an eye" on this development and suggested that North Korea should "question" its decision to send its forces to be "cannon fodder" in Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.[21] Russia and North Korea signed a comprehensive strategic partnership agreement on June 19, but Russian President Vladimir Putin later attempted to downplay the importance of the agreement and the possibility of North Korean troops serving in Ukraine.[22] ISW noted that Russia appears to be pursuing a coalition of friendly states with historically warm ties to the Soviet Union, including North Korea and Vietnam, to form the basis of an alternative world order.[23] ISW has yet to observe reporting that suggests that North Korean military personnel intend to participate in combat operations in Ukraine, but direct North Korean engineering support can free up Russian combat power for operations along the frontline and aid Russian efforts to expand military infrastructure and defensive fortifications in occupied Ukraine.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 7:57 am to StormyMcMan
Zeihan is normally clueless about "energy" but is sort of correct here. He fails to mention the pipeline from Israel project.
Russia's right of way for pipelines via Ukraine is set to expire. Closure would leave Orban standing alone with his little pecker in his hand, exposed to the world.
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Russia's right of way for pipelines via Ukraine is set to expire. Closure would leave Orban standing alone with his little pecker in his hand, exposed to the world.
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 8:05 am to StormyMcMan
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SW has yet to observe reporting that suggests that North Korean military personnel intend to participate in combat operations in Ukraine, but direct North Korean engineering support can free up Russian combat power for operations along the frontline and aid Russian efforts to expand military infrastructure and defensive fortifications in occupied Ukraine.
The money shot.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 8:09 am to VolSquatch
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Its a huge escalation" here, but NATO countries sending trainers or pilots or mechanics or whatever is just common sense and not an escalatory action at all
The two situations are hardly the same. If Ukraine had invaded Russia, and NATO allies were aiding them, it would be wrong and the world would and should be against that level of aggression.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 8:21 am to Allyn McKeen
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The two situations are hardly the same. If Ukraine had invaded Russia, and NATO allies were aiding them, it would be wrong and the world would and should be against that level of aggression.
An escalation is an escalation, the morality of it is different but both are escalatory acts. Countries who aren't directly involved in the conflict themselves are sending personnel. That's escalatory.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 8:34 am to VolSquatch
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That's escalatory.
It certainly is escalatory. It’s not like we are talking the Red Cross here. It’s NK military engineers.
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/27/24 at 9:16 am to StormyMcMan
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About 10 thousand migrants who received Russian citizenship were sent to war
This was stated by the head of the Investigative Committee of Russia, Alexander Bastrykin:
"We have identified over 30,000 migrants who acquired citizenship but did not register for military service. We have registered them and approximately 10,000 have been sent to the military operation zone," Bastrykin stated.
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The military training ground at Cape Chauda, from where "Shaheds" are launched, is on fire
Satellite images reveal significant growth in the affected area, with the fire now reaching buildings within the military unit.
Nobody is going to extinguish it. And that's a good thing.
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 9:38 am to StormyMcMan
Russia is supposed to have a huge edge in manpower, and I’m not saying they do not; however, they sure seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel rather than “disturb” their general population.
That tells me the war isn’t very popular over there much like the Vietnam War wasn’t popular here.
That tells me the war isn’t very popular over there much like the Vietnam War wasn’t popular here.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 10:27 am to doubleb
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It certainly is escalatory. It’s not like we are talking the Red Cross here. It’s NK military engineers.
France sent military instructors, so I'm not sure this is any more "escalatory" than that.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 10:45 am to RuLSU
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France sent military instructors, so I'm not sure this is any more "escalatory" than that.
Its clearly not.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 10:58 am to cwil1
Posted on 6/27/24 at 11:04 am to Bunk Moreland
Someone should tell him that there are numerous posters in the TigerDroppings Ukraine Thread who have exactly when Russia will collapse pegged down to a few months.
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 11:05 am
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