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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/7/24 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 2:51 pm to
With Germany just not in a demographic position to keep its dominant EU role (and a lot of older Germans drunk on their Gazprom kickbacks)...

Poland is really assuming their position as the other EU Great Power... same dynamic as France but without the "let's try to be gentlemen about this first" phase, straight to strength projection.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 2:52 pm to
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I thought that that would be true, but it doesn't hold up. The casualties data doesn't support that.


The Russian casualty data is no better than the Ukrainian casualty data, right?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 2:52 pm to
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There was an interview with the head of their central bank recently, one of the points she made is that the governments cash reserves are so large, that they're prepaying for defense orders.


The government reserves are about $50 billion, which is about half of what they were in the first days of the war.

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In general, the economy is in good shape. The people I've talked to are doing well, and that includes friends who live in rural parts of the country.


Yes, the Russian economy is doing fine, because of massive, unstainable government spending that is eating up all the cash reserves and will bankrupt the country in a year or so, so that the government checks start bouncing.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 2:54 pm to
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We've already had the bones of a deal worked out 2 years ago where both sides achieve those two bare minimum objectives.



Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 2:54 pm to
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You keep bringing this point up, do you not want to see them negotiate?


We have seen Russia negotiating Ukrainian issues for thirty years. What we want to see an end to the fighting and killing.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:00 pm to
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Holy shite, what a take.


Give him a break, there's probably an FSB supervisor looking over his shoulder as he types...

The "Russian system" he speaks of is Autocracy? The public has no power and no say...

Putin is a particular expert through personal history of how leadership loses its power so he has insulated himself from that... the people will not be able to rise up and oust him from power. At some point, he will just not be able to support the areas outside of Moscow, and they will be independent whether they want to be or not, and then he's just the leader of one city, not a nation.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3983 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:02 pm to
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government checks start bouncing.


That will be the setting sun.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:06 pm to
Macron hints he is preparing coalition of countries to send military instructors to Ukraine
Oleh Pavliuk, Tetyana Oliynyk — Friday, 7 June 2024, 21:46

French President Emmanuel Macron stated that at least five other countries have agreed to send instructors to Ukraine to train the Ukrainian troops.

Source: Macron at a joint press conference with Zelenskyy, as reported by European Pravda

Details: Macron reiterated that he views Ukraine's request for military training on its soil as acceptable, particularly given the growth in the number of people mobilised into the army.

Quote: "We are not at war with Russia, and we do not want an escalation, but we want to do everything we can to assist Ukraine in its resistance. So, when Ukraine requests us to train mobilised troops on its sovereign soil, is this an escalation? No," he said.

The French president went on to say that despite Russia's threats, the West has every right to send instructors to Ukraine because it is not about deploying Western troops "to the front line", but about "recognising the sovereignty of Ukraine on its territory".

"We decided to form a coalition, and several of our partners have already given their assent. We already know we will not be alone. And we will use the next several days to build the broadest possible coalition to react to Ukraine's request," he said.

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:08 pm to
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What we want to see an end to the fighting and killing.


How do you think that occurs in this conflict? Be specific.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:14 pm to
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Quote: "We are not at war with Russia, and we do not want an escalation, but we want to do everything we can to assist Ukraine in its resistance. So, when Ukraine requests us to train mobilised troops on its sovereign soil, is this an escalation? No," he said.


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:15 pm to
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How do you think that occurs in this conflict? Be specific.


I don’t know how it’s going to end. Do you?

You seem to be in the know, how is it going to end? When is it going to end? What will the world look like when it ends?
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:20 pm to
Its pretty obvious it ends at the negotiating table at some point.

"30 years of negotiating" "Putin won't act in good faith" etc etc etc are all facts, doesn't mean Russia is going to just drop tools and go home and it doesn't mean the west will allow Kyiv to fall either.

This ends at the table, well before either of those things happen. Its painfully obvious to anyone watching.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:26 pm to
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French President Emmanuel Macron stated that at least five other countries have agreed to send instructors to Ukraine to train the Ukrainian troops.


Contractors to train, fly and maintain the aircraft would be better and a lot quicker in the short term.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:28 pm to

Task and Purpose on the next generation of Bradleys based on lessons learned in Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB_TtOdKUjs
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:29 pm to
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This ends at the table, well before either of those things happen. Its painfully obvious to anyone watching


I think that’s the best bet, but Russia might surprise everybody and pull a r as but out of the hat and win outright. That or something happen to Putin and his successor schemes s way out without losing face.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:30 pm to
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We have seen Russia negotiating Ukrainian issues for thirty years. What we want to see an end to the fighting and killing.


I think Putin will negotiate in good faith only when he has a gun to his head.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:34 pm to
So much good and ballcrap stuff from the usual suspects the last 3 pages.

Russia's economy is actually in bad shape and has been since 2022. Money flew out of the country like so many blackbirds in a SW LA rice field. Easily 1 million talented individuals left Russia in the Fall of 2022. Freaking brain surgeons were willing to take jobs building websites elsewhere just to get away. China is rectum raping Russia on prices and the impasse for building Power of Siberia 2, which would supply half of the natural gas sales volume it lost with Europe, will have to be at a price cheaper than breakeven for Russia for China to agree to pay of it using Chinese steel. Local ethnic Russians are a little queasy about the highway needed to supply materials which will give China easy access to the heart of "populated" Siberia.

On Zeihan, his demographic analysis jives with others Everything else, he's a bullshitter who has written several best selling books with data swallowed by the technically clueless. He knew some trends but not why.

BTW, his claims about China's census and losing 100 million, in all likelihood, many of them moved to Siberia. China does have trade delegations and business people who are all over Kazakhstan, and points east of the Urals dealing directly with local cities and oblasts and not via Moscow. There are so many raw materials to be had to feed China even if Russians never live up to specifications in contracts, they sell cheap enough to pocket for themselves without Moscow getting its cut.

Russia has a major issue with lower echelons of its military being Islamic. Many of these have slavic names so on paper might seem to be ethnic Russians but aren't in the least.

As far as Russia's stepped up invasion in Feb 2022, sending an army on the single road through a large swamp with ambush choke points all over it, well what can I say about stupidity. This was not a great plan. Nazi Germany lost a lot of equipment via this swamp, It feeds the Dnipro River. It was also constantly attacked via Poles who escaped Poland to hide there and play Swamp Fox harassing Germans from the rear only to melt away in the swamp, during WWII. As far as Ukraine having a large well trained army, that was mostly in the east holding the line from 2014. Russia did bribe some officials in the south to keep Ukraine from blowing up the bridges out of Crimea. That part of their plan worked.

Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3983 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:35 pm to
CNN: Biden apologizes to Zelensky for delay in US aid


Again, the Western approach to this, to just fight for time until Putin's Russia implodes and collapses and is not a threat to anyone, anymore, seems inhumane... Ukrainian civilians and troops that are being killed by Russia... like human grains of sand in an hourglass...

The calculation is that if Ukraine defeats them outright too easily, then Russia possibly uses one of those tactical nukes it moved to Belarus in spite (and then expects the response to be directed at Belarus), or that they just become rebuild and try it all again later (if that's possible with their Demographics).

Some of the numerous things I watched about D-Day yesterday mentioned how much it weighed on Eisenhower that "in the best case scenario if everything goes right and in our favor... we lose thousands of troops."

Zelensky has never asked for American or NATO troops to fight in Ukraine... he has only asked us for the tools to do it themselves. That's not much a sacrifice.

The same people screaming "we should take care of Americans first" oppose every social program there is... Tucker Carslon marvels at Moscow's subway while ranting against commuter rail in America... all just bullshite

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8468 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:36 pm to
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hat or something happen to Putin and his successor schemes s way out without losing face.


I think its just as likely if not moreso that Putin's successor is more extreme than Putin is. It will likely be someone from Putin's orbit, and think about what type of person it takes to be successful in that environment.... Part of it is kissing arse to avoid the axe, but if you're not competent in your role you get the axe too. So its likely someone intelligent and cunning, and starting off your reign by retreating and still having heavy sanctions from the west for who knows how long after is a recipe for not lasting very long as ruler.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 3:38 pm to
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I think its just as likely if not moreso that Putin's successor is more extreme than Putin is


Then the war would continue.
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